ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

El Predicador · #1 02-23-2011, 04:06 PM

It was an answer to a question.

What must I do to be saved?

Hesitate to call it an altar call.

They asked him.

He didn't count to three, or ask for a show of hands,

Or even tell scary stories about kids being run over

by chariots on the way home.

Sam · #2 02-23-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by El Predicador

It was an answer to a question.

What must I do to be saved?

Hesitate to call it an altar call.

They asked him.

He didn't count to three, or ask for a show of hands,

Or even tell scary stories about kids being run over

by chariots on the way home.

The kids being run over by chariots might have been included in "and with many other words did he testify and exhort saying Save yourselves from this untoward generation" (verse 40) along with the bifurcated garments, hair touching the ears, etc.

TGBTG · #3 02-23-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by El Predicador

It was an answer to a question.

What must I do to be saved?

Hesitate to call it an altar call.

They asked him.

He didn't count to three, or ask for a show of hands,

Or even tell scary stories about kids being run over

by chariots on the way home.

That was not the question asked in Acts 2:38

That question was actually asked in Acts 16:30-31 and here is the answer:
Acts 16
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Jermyn Davidson · #4 02-23-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

That was not the question asked in Acts 2:38

That question was actually asked in Acts 16:30-31 and here is the answer:
Acts 16
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

I am glad you posted this because I was going to correct our brother in Christ too.

kclee4jc · #5 02-23-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

That was not the question asked in Acts 2:38

That question was actually asked in Acts 16:30-31 and here is the answer:
Acts 16
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

"shalt be saved"!
didnt say that by believing on Jesus one is automatically saved. Rather that if the jailor would believe on the Lord he "shalt be saved". In other words believing was the foundation of his salvation and would lead him to the rest. It's impossible to obey the gospel without first believing.

TGBTG · #6 02-23-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

"shalt be saved"!
didnt say that by believing on Jesus one is automatically saved. Rather that if the jailor would believe on the Lord he "shalt be saved". In other words believing was the foundation of his salvation and would lead him to the rest. It's impossible to obey the gospel without first believing.

Okay, I don't why you posted the emboldened part. All I did was correct was El Predicador. He quoted Acts 2:38 wrong and I said what he quoted was actually in Acts 16:31. Moreover, the emboldened is your interpretation of that scripture. As for me, I'd rather just take the scripture without trying to add any "in other words..."

Also, you said believing on the Lord Jesus does not automatically you.

The jailer asked "What MUST I do to be saved"

Simple answer was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." It really simple. Let's not make it complicated.

If I may ask you, what is the gospel?

noeticknight · #7 02-23-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

"shalt be saved"!
didnt say that by believing on Jesus one is automatically saved. Rather that if the jailor would believe on the Lord he "shalt be saved". In other words believing was the foundation of his salvation and would lead him to the rest. It's impossible to obey the gospel without first believing.

Note, the above post is indicative of similar claims made by religious zealots who have not yet fully grasped the force of God’s grace. In other words, “it is not good enough to rely on the work and record of Jesus Christ, but you must perform certain rituals to seal the deal.”

The concept of grace however, causes one to understand that we cannot leverage salvation through performance (obedience if you want to call it that). Salvation is given freely to those who believe and endure. To believe the Gospel is to accept His record as enough. To obey is to reciprocate love towards the Savior, not earn salvation. Think love relationship, not religious initiation (John 14:23).

kclee4jc · #8 02-23-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by noeticknight

Note, the above post is indicative of similar claims made by religious zealots who have not yet fully grasped the force of God’s grace. In other words, “it is not good enough to rely on the work and record of Jesus Christ, but you must perform certain rituals to seal the deal.”

The concept of grace however, causes one to understand that we cannot leverage salvation through performance (obedience if you want to call it that). Salvation is given freely to those who believe and endure. To believe the Gospel is to accept His record as enough. To obey is to reciprocate love towards the Savior, not earn salvation. Think love relationship, not religious initiation (John 14:23).

Very Good! Keeping his words = loving him. Did you notice that it is then that he makes his abode with us? If any man hath not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. Not yet anyway..

The blood must be applied for grace to be received. I obeyed the Gospel because I loved him. Not to escape Hell. If i didnt love Him i would not have obeyed, would not have received the grace that was freely offered on the cross...and would not have escaped Hell.

TGBTG · #9 02-23-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Very Good! Keeping his words = loving him. Did you notice that it is then that he makes his abode with us? If any man hath not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. Not yet anyway..

The blood must be applied for grace to be received. I obeyed the Gospel because I loved him. Not to escape Hell. If i didnt love Him i would not have obeyed, would not have received the grace that was freely offered on the cross...and would not have escaped Hell.

How can you obey the gospel? How is that possible? Did you mean believe the gospel?

The gospel is not something to be obeyed. It is something to believed.

Mark 16
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

kclee4jc · #10 02-23-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

How can you obey the gospel? How is that possible? Did you mean believe the gospel?

The gospel is not something to be obeyed. It is something to believed.

Mark 16
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Believing and obeying ties hand in hand. Great verse by the way...not sure how you could use that to say baptism is not neccessary tho..