A Relevant Holiness Message

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by peyt07

Definition of gossip, which the Bible (I Timothy 5:12, 13) is against: Gossip is idle talk or rumour, especially about the personal or private affairs of others. It is one of the oldest and most common means of sharing facts and views, but also has a reputation for the introduction of errors and variations into the information transmitted. The term can also imply that the news is of personal or trivial nature, as opposed to normal conversation.

"Idle", or, "Useless." This isn't useless. It was cast into the public eye, loud condemnation of others took place, even causing some of us to wonder if it was us and by not revealing who he condemned, he cast many, including me, in a bad light forcing us to wonder if we were recipients of his wrath.

"Rumor". Well, no need to explain that one. This CLEARLY isn't rumor. That would be, "Hey, I heard that Rob McKee took a shot at a pastor that uses secular music in his church."


Strike one. Try again.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

"Idle", or, "Useless." This isn't useless. It was cast into the public eye, loud condemnation of others took place, even causing some of us to wonder if it was us and by not revealing who he condemned, he cast many, including me, in a bad light forcing us to wonder if we were recipients of his wrath.

Please enlighten us as to how this actually transpired, NOW. Do you view his website on a regular basis or attend his church? How did you know he did this? I'm not denying his message. I'm just wondering how YOU became aware of the situation?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Please enlighten us as to how this actually transpired, NOW. Do you view his website on a regular basis or attend his church? How did you know he did this? I'm not denying his message. I'm just wondering how YOU became aware of the situation?

I found out about it the same way I found out Crystal Cathedral filed for bankruptcy, the same way I found out I found out that Craig Groeshael posted promotional flyers in his lobby for other churches in town because he wanted a lot of people to leave, the same way I found out Kenneth Haney wasn't re-elected General Superintendent, the same way I found out the Bill Hybels strongly denied he ever apologized for the strategy of his church the previous 30 years......

I read it on an internet blog/forum.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I found out about it the same way I found out Crystal Cathedral filed for bankruptcy, the same way I found out I found out that Craig Groeshael posted promotional flyers in his lobby for other churches in town because he wanted a lot of people to leave, the same way I found out Kenneth Haney wasn't re-elected General Superintendent, the same way I found out the Bill Hybels strongly denied he ever apologized for the strategy of his church the previous 30 years......

I read it on an internet blog/forum.

And what internet blog did you first view and become aware of this sermon and who was the "reporter"?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And what internet blog did you first view and become aware of this sermon and who was the "reporter"?

I read it here on AFF first, and you know who "reported" it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I read it here on AFF first, and you know who "reported" it.

Thank you. I thought so. So, what he did wasn't as public as what DA has made it to be. Thought so.

Okay, that's all I wanted to say.



P.S. Don't tell me that you love RM, because none of you do.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you. I thought so. So, what he did wasn't as public as what DA has made it to be. Thought so.

Okay, that's all I wanted to say.

Well, I just wanna say that I think the Giants are better than they were last year, but that doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about.

PO, you KNOW that if RM had preached with no shirt on and the sermon were posted, or if he had worn cargo shorts and a tank top, or if he had breathed fire, or the opposite.....

....if he had prayed for someone in the congregation that was missing an arm and an arm had grown instantly....

...it would have been news and you wouldn't care where it came from and you can't possibly NOT admit that.

[peyt07]

Originally Posted by notofworks

"Idle", or, "Useless." This isn't useless. It was cast into the public eye, loud condemnation of others took place, even causing some of us to wonder if it was us and by not revealing who he condemned, he cast many, including me, in a bad light forcing us to wonder if we were recipients of his wrath.

"Rumor". Well, no need to explain that one. This CLEARLY isn't rumor. That would be, "Hey, I heard that Rob McKee took a shot at a pastor that uses secular music in his church."


Strike one. Try again.

I think pressing-on hit the point pretty perfectly.

"His personal church website and preaching videos are not the same as posting in a more "random" public place like YouTube. You have to decide that you want to attend his church or decide if you want to listen to his preaching on the Web. That is all that is about.

YouTube is a totally different arena and story, Daniel. And you know it. I can't, well I probably can, believe you would be so callous.

And your cropping the two messages and dragging it over to YouTube is just way over the top. So don't tell me that you love Rob, because you don't. Friends talk about things - face to face - man to man or woman to woman, if that be the case. They don't drag their carcass out in the road for everyone to run over.

I'm just disappointed in how this is being handled, that's all. I couldn't imagine doing that to someone I said I "loved". I would probably go by and visit or give them a call. I sure in the world wouldn't call them out like a gunfighter in a western town. You are acting like you slammed the saloon doors back and wanted to commence shooting. I just do not like it at all.

Very disappointing. If I don't like how a preacher preaches, I don't go to his revivals. And I sure wouldn't sit around cropping his messages and discussing him on-line. Good grief! Insanity!"

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by peyt07

I think pressing-on hit the point pretty perfectly.

"His personal church website and preaching videos are not the same as posting in a more "random" public place like YouTube. You have to decide that you want to attend his church or decide if you want to listen to his preaching on the Web. That is all that is about.

YouTube is a totally different arena and story, Daniel. And you know it. I can't, well I probably can, believe you would be so callous.

And your cropping the two messages and dragging it over to YouTube is just way over the top. So don't tell me that you love Rob, because you don't. Friends talk about things - face to face - man to man or woman to woman, if that be the case. They don't drag their carcass out in the road for everyone to run over.

I'm just disappointed in how this is being handled, that's all. I couldn't imagine doing that to someone I said I "loved". I would probably go by and visit or give them a call. I sure in the world wouldn't call them out like a gunfighter in a western town. You are acting like you slammed the saloon doors back and wanted to commence shooting. I just do not like it at all.

Very disappointing. If I don't like how a preacher preaches, I don't go to his revivals. And I sure wouldn't sit around cropping his messages and discussing him on-line. Good grief! Insanity!"

You guys are missing the tree because of the forest.

I don't see that DA was going after RM's sermons at random. The clips simply show that RM condemned a preacher for doing something that was in turn done at his church the next week.

Those defending RM seem to miss the point that RM condemed a preacher while being broadcast live and also archived on his website for doing something that was done a week later in his church with seemingly full acceptance.

Should RM have torn the internet preacher down?