A Relevant Holiness Message

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

NOW,
I believe I said that people have to "choose" to view his website, watch him on TV or attend his services. I never said it was only for his congregation alone.

That is NOT the same as posting a cropped video clip to ridicule him, in public, on YouTube, is it? People scour YouTube and run across random things to view. It is not the same thing or same type of format. Nor is it the same type of setting, at all.

Oh come on, PO, just because "choose" not to go to the Giants game doesn't mean it's not news. Those who choose or don't choose to go to his website has nothing to do with whether or not his posted sermons are news. And like I keep saying....if RM had dropped an F-bomb in his sermon and it was posted on his website, you sure as heck know it would be news!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh come on, PO, just because "choose" not to go to the Giants game doesn't mean it's not news. Those who choose or don't choose to go to his website has nothing to do with whether or not his posted sermons are news. And like I keep saying....if RM had dropped an F-bomb in his sermon and it was posted on his website, you sure as heck know it would be news!!

Well, yea, I'd have wonder at him using that word, but he hasn't and it's likely he won't.

So, his sermon is news. I am just wondering HOW it became news? That's all I want to know.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, yea, I'd have wonder at him using that word, but he hasn't and it's likely he won't.

So, his sermon is news. I am just wondering HOW it became news? That's all I want to know.

1) There are two elements that take place in these two posted sermons that are as troublesome.....more so for me......than him dropping the f-bomb. Slang is one thing, condemnation, approving what was just condemned, mockery, and disrespecting elders is much worse than slang.

2) It became news when it was posted for public viewing on the church website.


The question is.....would it be legitimate if we were discussing him dropping the f-bomb in a posted sermon on his website? I can't imagine you would say anything but, "yes." And if so, then THIS is legitimate as well.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, yea, I'd have wonder at him using that word, but he hasn't and it's likely he won't.

So, his sermon is news. I am just wondering HOW it became news? That's all I want to know.

I think we're running a string out to a point here, it really doesn't matter where we heard it or who the reporter was, it was posted on the WORLD WIDE WEB, and so it was opened up to the public. Just a friend sometimes tells you about a good restaurant that you may not have found on your own, or gives you tips about a great sale that you may not have found on your own, once it's public, it's public.

However, I just want to state for the record that I have no issue with RM on this incident. As a pastor, you can't control everything that is said in your pulpit by others.

When I pastored, on more than one occasion, I had to come along and clean up some messes left by others once they had left. A wise man won't step up and pull an evangelists's coat tails in the middle of his sermon over something like this. Maybe there are some subjects that would warrant immediate dispute, but not this one.

As a pastor, I would be more grieved by the 'jesting' towards those in my congregation than I would over a James Brown song.

I don't know what RM said once GP left, and it's really none of my concern.

My "beef" as it were is solely with the coarse and insulting things said during this supposed sermon, and since it's public, I'll discuss it publicly!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Just a friend sometimes tells you about a good restaurant that you may not have found on your own, or gives you tips about a great sale that you may not have found on your own, once it's public, it's public.

Uh, yea, Mike, it was done just that pleasantly. Like dropping the name of a good restaurant.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Uh, yea, Mike, it was done just that pleasantly. Like dropping the name of a good restaurant.

It was done in love.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It was done in love.

Well, I need to go research that a little, I see.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, I need to go research that a little, I see.

Thanks for the sarcasm, ladies. This reminds me of why I stopped posting here in the first place.

Please go back thru my posts and tell me if I criticized RM in any way shape or form.

Tell me if I called GP names, or referred to his character.

I've only commented on his public actions and words, and instead of listening to my points and acknowledging that I may have a somewhat solid opinon, I get snide remarks like this.

That notwithstanding, the issue of WHERE the sermon came from is irrelevant, my opinion about conducting oneself in the pulpit, and using your ministerial authority with wisdom remains the same.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I think we're running a string out to a point here, it really doesn't matter where we heard it or who the reporter was, it was posted on the WORLD WIDE WEB, and so it was opened up to the public. Just a friend sometimes tells you about a good restaurant that you may not have found on your own, or gives you tips about a great sale that you may not have found on your own, once it's public, it's public.

However, I just want to state for the record that I have no issue with RM on this incident. As a pastor, you can't control everything that is said in your pulpit by others.

When I pastored, on more than one occasion, I had to come along and clean up some messes left by others once they had left. A wise man won't step up and pull an evangelists's coat tails in the middle of his sermon over something like this. Maybe there are some subjects that would warrant immediate dispute, but not this one.

As a pastor, I would be more grieved by the 'jesting' towards those in my congregation than I would over a James Brown song.

I don't know what RM said once GP left, and it's really none of my concern.

My "beef" as it were is solely with the coarse and insulting things said during this supposed sermon, and since it's public, I'll discuss it publicly!

I agree, GP's actions were what yanked my chain the hardest. And I agree, this isn't something that I would have made him stop in the middle of speaking it. The "Hey, are you a Mexican" just might warrant grabbing the mic, but not the other. STILL....trading places with RM, would you have posted the sermon or just let that one disappear? For me, I'd let that video tape slip out of my hands and fall into the fireplace, myself.