David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or not? - Page 4

Hoovie · #1 05-20-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OfInterest

Facial hair on men has never been prohibited in scripture, so why would it make him a moderate to say so? If ministers are recognizing that they have been teaching non-biblical clothing/appearance standards, we get to call them moderates now? How about just being "biblical".

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Originally Posted by scotty

Moderate, biblical , I don't care what you call them.

The point was, according to the labels usually given on this forum, they could be said to be shifting to moderate.

I see you been a member a while, not paying attention ?

Exactly. I of course, would not argue DKB or pretty much any UPC minister is "moderate" in terms of greater Christianity. Only in terms of the UPC and it's recent past (last few decades).

OfInterest · #2 05-21-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Moderate, biblical , I don't care what you call them.

The point was, according to the labels usually given on this forum, they could be said to be shifting to moderate.

I see you been a member a while, not paying attention ?

Oh please train me "old wise one." <ahem>

Jay · #3 05-21-2011, 02:07 AM

The problem as I see it is that he did not put into context his thought. I have seen this happen often on Facebook and do not think that it is appropriate to do. If there is a thought, then it should be expressed in full and not in a .5 second sound bite.

goosonano · #4 05-22-2011, 11:19 PM

Not only was Ishmael blessed, but he was also cursed along with his descendants when the angel said that "he shall be a wild donkey of a man,

pelathais · #5 05-23-2011, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by goosonano

Not only was Ishmael blessed, but he was also cursed along with his descendants when the angel said that "he shall be a wild donkey of a man,

Why can't DKB send out Tweets like that?

Dagwood · #6 05-23-2011, 03:40 PM

I'd have to read the full context surrounding his statement to gain a better understanding of his reasoning. But, from what I know of Bernard, he walks a spirtitual tight-rope, one with little room for God's grace, IMO...

However, I, too, follow him on Twitter since some things I do agree with him on...

MissBrattified · #7 05-27-2011, 11:12 AM

This tweet seems to be part of a mini-series. Here are a few more recent tweets from DKB along the same vein:

May 19 - We cannot sacrifice righteousness and consecration from a sense of unity, for "the friendship of the world is enmity against God." Jam 4:4

May 20 - We cannot sacrifice ethics and love due to righteous indignation, for "the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God." Jam 1:20

May 23 - We can treat fellow believers and even unbelievers with integrity, courtesy and respect without compromising our convictions.

May 24 - We can act in a loving way even toward those who attack us, and in doing so we display the holiness of God. Matt 5:43 - 48

May 25 - We can faithfully speak the truth but learn to speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15

Personally - I don't find a lot to disagree with.

Aquila · #8 05-27-2011, 12:05 PM

If at all possible we are to follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. The principles of holiness shouldn't be compromised. However, we must be tolerant of others who impliment those principles differently. Some don't wear wedding bands, some do. Therefore we are to maintain harmony with those who differ from us. There is a place for debate and discussion, but we must remember to keep the bonds of peace.

RandyWayne · #9 05-27-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

If at all possible we are to follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. The principles of holiness shouldn't be compromised. However, we must be tolerant of others who impliment those principles differently. Some don't wear wedding bands, some do. Therefore we are to maintain harmony with those who differ from us. There is a place for debate and discussion, but we must remember to keep the bonds of peace.

Peace and understanding usually only flow one way in these instances. In other words, I always wear my ring and have no problem hanging around with someone who doesn't believe in them. But typically the person who doesn't believe in them will not tolerate ME wearing mine. True harmony would be me willing to take mine off in his presence but him willing to wear one in mine, which will never ever happen. Perhaps we are dealing with the "weaker brother" who will stumble by trying to fit in with me whereas I would not have nearly he same issue trying to fit in with him?