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05-18-2011, 06:18 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I agree with it, since he defines what he means by "holiness" in the second half of the statement:
"We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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Exactly. I thought it was self definitive. Nothing is more important than obeying God's will.
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05-19-2011, 08:44 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
At face value, I would say I agree. We should never compromise our convictions in order for us to have "harmonious relationships" with others. However, I find it necessary to withhold full agreement until I know what he's referring to as "holiness". By "holiness", is he referring to UPC "standards"? Standards do not always equal "holiness". The two terms are not necessarily the same.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Exactly. I thought it was self definitive. Nothing is more important than obeying God's will.
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I agree with the statement for the reasons bolded above. Whether he was talking about "standards" or not, each has their own convictions, if convictions are to be defined as the will of God in our own personal lives the I agree with the statement in full.
Of course the harsh truth here is what anyone wants to make of it. That will depend on who you are and what attitudes you may have with UPC. Notice this same sentence.
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")
There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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05-19-2011, 11:48 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by scotty
Notice this same sentence.
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")
There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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love your example!
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05-19-2011, 12:19 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by scotty
I agree with the statement for the reasons bolded above. Whether he was talking about "standards" or not, each has their own convictions, if convictions are to be defined as the will of God in our own personal lives the I agree with the statement in full.
Of course the harsh truth here is what anyone wants to make of it. That will depend on who you are and what attitudes you may have with UPC. Notice this same sentence.
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")
There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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I get all of that. I just don't think that making a comment such as that with no other context is the wisest move if you want to preserve some unity among those with differing opinions. But honestly, I don't think those that agree with him are really interested in keeping any unity with those that disagree with them on "standard" issues. I think they secretly wish we would all go away so they can label us and then self righteously sniff "We're better than them." Their standards are more important than love. That has been my experience at least.
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05-19-2011, 12:52 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by OfInterest
I think they secretly wish we would all go away so they can label us and then self righteously sniff "We're better than them."
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I think you think too much. 
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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www.chrisscottonline.com
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05-19-2011, 01:05 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by scotty
I think you think too much.
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I think you've never been on this side of the fence. 
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