Selling Out to Cash In.... Ex-Apostolics...

CC1 · #1 05-26-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't believe it's gone.

I didn't say it was gone. I said "with very few exceptions". Canada may still have some UPC folks of that persuasion in some numbers but as far as Mississippi and Tennessee go the PAJC view folks dominate here. There may be one or two of the PCI view but not many. The ones that were here are either dead or like my pastor no longer UPC. I think the same holds true for the Northwest where the Yadon's were once a force in the UPC and held the PCI view.

SDG · #2 05-26-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I didn't say it was gone. I said "with very few exceptions". Canada may still have some UPC folks of that persuasion in some numbers but as far as Mississippi and Tennessee go the PAJC view folks dominate here. There may be one or two of the PCI view but not many. The ones that were here are either dead or like my pastor no longer UPC. I think the same holds true for the Northwest where the Yadon's were once a force in the UPC and held the PCI view.

Speaking to some of my young preacher friends they believe that there are quite a few young preachers that hold the PCI position , hold a light doctrine view, or the hybrid Seagravian view that justification happens at repentance ... while remission happens at baptism ...

Felicity · #3 05-26-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Speaking to some of my young preacher friends they believe that there are quite a few young preachers that hold the PCI position , hold a light doctrine view, or the hybrid Seagravian view that justification happens at repentance ... while remission happens at baptism ...

Good heavens! Even the present GS doesn't believe that every person not baptized in Jesus name or speaks in tongues will be lost eternally so to think that there aren't still a great many men who believe similarly would be missing the mark I think.

I know that there are so many who say A, B, C, and D are necessary to be saved but then when you got down to brass tacks they won't say that everyone who doesn't do ABC and D will be eternally lost so to think that there aren't still a great many men who believe similarly in the UPC would be missing the mark.

I don't think that many are even aware of this contradiction, and I also think that many of the "younger" men as they study Scripture and mature and start to think for themselves will come up with a doctrinal view not unlike the one we hold. My personal opinion.

But in the meantime everyone says they believe ABC and D.

Nahum · #4 05-26-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Good heavens! Even the present GS doesn't believe that every person not baptized in Jesus name or speaks in tongues will be lost eternally so to think that there aren't still a great many men who believe similarly would be missing the mark I think.

I know that there are so many who say A, B, C, and D are necessary to be saved but then when you got down to brass tacks they won't say that everyone who doesn't do ABC and D will be eternally lost so to think that there aren't still a great many men who believe similarly in the UPC would be missing the mark.

I don't think that many are even aware of this contradiction, and I also think that many of the "younger" men as they study Scripture and mature and start to think for themselves will come up with a doctrinal view not unlike the one we hold. My personal opinion.

But in the meantime everyone says they believe ABC and D.

That is a very bold assertion. Do you have something in writing from Bishop Haney that supports your claim that he does not believe what our AOF proclaims?

H2H · #5 05-26-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

That is a very bold assertion. Do you have something in writing from Bishop Haney that supports your claim that he does not believe what our AOF proclaims?

Speaking of which..... There is no doubt this has long been an area needing clarification. How many do you think would sign on for a resolution that "clarfies" the AOF position??

"Whereas there have been questions as to what constitutes "Full Salvation" and whereas there have been questions as to when and where justification occurrs in the new believer, be it resolved that the membership of this organization wholeheartedly believes eternal damnation is the future of all "christians" not experiencing the New Birth as we have defined and interpreted Acts 2:38 in it's entirety."

Nahum · #6 05-26-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by H2H

Speaking of which..... There is no doubt this has long been an area needing clarification. How many do you think would sign on for a resolution that "clarfies" the AOF position??

"Whereas there have been questions as to what constitutes "Full Salvation" and whereas there have been questions as to when and where justification occurrs in the new believer, be it resolved that the membership of this organization wholeheartedly believes eternal damnation is the future of all Christians not experiencing the New Birth as we have defined and interpreted Acts 2:38 in it's entirety."

Only problem I have with it is the use of the word "Christians".