Acts 2:38 Three-Step Salvation Book Coming!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Will you deal with the accusation that 3step salvation is dependent on John 3?

Please clarify. And please let me know of anything else that should be covered.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Please clarify. And please let me know of anything else that should be covered.

The only reason I brought up John 3 is this is one of many scriptures.

I have caught myself, church members, pastors and Pentecostal writers depending on John 3 for the magic bullet to win every debate. So if someone disagrees on John 3 the argument is over. The other person won't believe anything you say because a person puts most of his argument on one scripture.

I was only asking because I feel this is the week link in the 3 stepper argument. Just like using one scripture as a hinge for a 1 step argument.

I hope I explained enough. Words are SO HARD to use!!!

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

The only reason I brought up John 3 is this is one of many scriptures.

I have caught myself, church members, pastors and Pentecostal writers depending on John 3 for the magic bullet to win every debate. So if someone disagrees on John 3 the argument is over. The other person won't believe anything you say because a person puts most of his argument on one scripture.

I was only asking because I feel this is the week link in the 3 stepper argument. Just like using one scripture as a hinge for a 1 step argument.

I hope I explained enough. Words are SO HARD to use!!!

What does a one stepper believe about John 3?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

What does a one stepper believe about John 3?

Check out this post. It offers 4 or 5 different interpretations. I believe being born again is the baptismS but if I was a one-stepper, I would go with water being a metaphor for Spirit and that it is used for emphasis. The interpretation using a contrast with the natural birth with the "water and the spirit" isn't convincing to me.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...53&postcount=5

[mfblume]

Not really catching your drift, disciple4life. lol

I get the idea of not forming a doctrine form one verse. But not sure of the connection and which side of the point deals with John 3.

[shag]

The use "water" in 1 John 5:6 interests me. "Not water ONLY, but blood...(leading one to think he wS making a point that some saw "water only")
I've read referring to when water and blood came out when the spear pierced him, compared to Moses drawn out of the water, baptism , rivers of living water=spirit, and no telling what else...

I'd like to know for certain

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not really catching your drift, disciple4life. lol

I get the idea of not forming a doctrine form one verse. But not sure of the connection and which side of the point deals with John 3.

Most 3 steppers (including myself) have to use John 3 at some point to make their argument. If this does not apply to your argument then I apologize for the confusion.

Most Christians (one steppers) base everything on John 3:16. This is the verse they go to explain salvation.

My point I was trying to make is that you need a well rounded argument with several verses that can help establish your argument. Regardless of your final conclusion.

Mike, I really didn't think you were going to have a problem coming up with a good argument. I was just being overly cautious on what approach you were taking. I expect you will use Old Testament to shine light on the New Testament plan of Salvation.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Most 3 steppers (including myself) have to use John 3 at some point to make their argument. If this does not apply to your argument then I apologize for the confusion.

Most Christians (one steppers) base everything on John 3:16. This is the verse they go to explain salvation.

My point I was trying to make is that you need a well rounded argument with several verses that can help establish your argument. Regardless of your final conclusion.

Mike, I really didn't think you were going to have a problem coming up with a good argument. I was just being overly cautious on what approach you were taking. I expect you will use Old Testament to shine light on the New Testament plan of Salvation.

I spent most of my time showing that Jesus authorized everything the Apostles would teach in John 17:20, and then how over and over the apostles wrote things like OUR doctrine and truth you have heard from US.

With John I got a precious revelation about John 3:16. But there is also much OT showing the plan!