Acts 2:38 Three-Step Salvation Book Coming!

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Please clarify. And please let me know of anything else that should be covered.

The only reason I brought up John 3 is this is one of many scriptures.

I have caught myself, church members, pastors and Pentecostal writers depending on John 3 for the magic bullet to win every debate. So if someone disagrees on John 3 the argument is over. The other person won't believe anything you say because a person puts most of his argument on one scripture.

I was only asking because I feel this is the week link in the 3 stepper argument. Just like using one scripture as a hinge for a 1 step argument.

I hope I explained enough. Words are SO HARD to use!!!

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

The only reason I brought up John 3 is this is one of many scriptures.

I have caught myself, church members, pastors and Pentecostal writers depending on John 3 for the magic bullet to win every debate. So if someone disagrees on John 3 the argument is over. The other person won't believe anything you say because a person puts most of his argument on one scripture.

I was only asking because I feel this is the week link in the 3 stepper argument. Just like using one scripture as a hinge for a 1 step argument.

I hope I explained enough. Words are SO HARD to use!!!

What does a one stepper believe about John 3?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

What does a one stepper believe about John 3?

Check out this post. It offers 4 or 5 different interpretations. I believe being born again is the baptismS but if I was a one-stepper, I would go with water being a metaphor for Spirit and that it is used for emphasis. The interpretation using a contrast with the natural birth with the "water and the spirit" isn't convincing to me.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...53&postcount=5

[mfblume]

Not really catching your drift, disciple4life. lol

I get the idea of not forming a doctrine form one verse. But not sure of the connection and which side of the point deals with John 3.

[shag]

The use "water" in 1 John 5:6 interests me. "Not water ONLY, but blood...(leading one to think he wS making a point that some saw "water only")
I've read referring to when water and blood came out when the spear pierced him, compared to Moses drawn out of the water, baptism , rivers of living water=spirit, and no telling what else...

I'd like to know for certain

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not really catching your drift, disciple4life. lol

I get the idea of not forming a doctrine form one verse. But not sure of the connection and which side of the point deals with John 3.

Most 3 steppers (including myself) have to use John 3 at some point to make their argument. If this does not apply to your argument then I apologize for the confusion.

Most Christians (one steppers) base everything on John 3:16. This is the verse they go to explain salvation.

My point I was trying to make is that you need a well rounded argument with several verses that can help establish your argument. Regardless of your final conclusion.

Mike, I really didn't think you were going to have a problem coming up with a good argument. I was just being overly cautious on what approach you were taking. I expect you will use Old Testament to shine light on the New Testament plan of Salvation.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Most 3 steppers (including myself) have to use John 3 at some point to make their argument. If this does not apply to your argument then I apologize for the confusion.

Most Christians (one steppers) base everything on John 3:16. This is the verse they go to explain salvation.

My point I was trying to make is that you need a well rounded argument with several verses that can help establish your argument. Regardless of your final conclusion.

Mike, I really didn't think you were going to have a problem coming up with a good argument. I was just being overly cautious on what approach you were taking. I expect you will use Old Testament to shine light on the New Testament plan of Salvation.

I spent most of my time showing that Jesus authorized everything the Apostles would teach in John 17:20, and then how over and over the apostles wrote things like OUR doctrine and truth you have heard from US.

With John I got a precious revelation about John 3:16. But there is also much OT showing the plan!