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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Must I assume that you guys believe this?

No, is isn't an assumption, it is called being a hateful liar.

Deal with it.

[J.A. Perez]

This is how I would compare 2nd Peter 3:10-12

Isaiah 24:19
The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken.

Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.

Micah 1:4
The mountains melt beneath him and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire, like water rushing down a slope.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

Elements—the component materials of the world [Wahl]. However, as "the works" in the earth are mentioned separately from "the earth," so it is likely by "elements," mentioned after "the heavens," are meant "the works therein," namely, the sun, moon, and stars (as Theophilus of Antioch [p. 22, 148, 228]; and Justin Martyr [Apology, 2.44], use the word "elements"): these, as at creation, so in the destruction of the world, are mentioned [Bengel]. But as "elements" is not so used in Scripture Greek, perhaps it refers to the component materials of "the heavens," including the heavenly bodies; it clearly belongs to the former clause, "the heavens," not to the following, "the earth," etc.

melt—be dissolved, as in 2Pe 3:11.

the works … therein—of nature and of art.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?





Well?

Loren, forget ....LOL

Maybe you will be courteous enough to answer this question for the preterists?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Loren, forget ....LOL

Maybe you will be courteous enough to answer this question for the preterists?

Thank for NOT answering my post Loren.

I will then assume you believe 2 Peter 3 is speaking of the annihilation of the Law, the Jewish religion and the Jews, right?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thank for NOT answering my post Loren.

I will then assume you believe 2 Peter 3 is speaking of the annihilation of the Law, the Jewish religion and the Jews, right?

You can take it any way you like, you will anyway. The question has been answered already on other areas of this forum why keep asking the same questions?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?





Well?

Loren this is a fact also?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, Benencasa, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?





Well?

Mike, Benencasa....Maybe a teeny weeny hint of what you think the ELEMENTS, HEAVEN and EARTH mean in this passage?

[shazeep]

that seems to be a different "day of the Lord."

Mark 13 et al sure seem to indicate preterism; the chapter could be titled "What will happen in 70 AD," it seems to me. Don't we have historical evidence for...everything in it? Sans everyone seeing the Lord in the clouds, at least; which evidence just might not have survived, or been occluded. Not saying that makes me a preterist; but i certainly wouldn't be scoffing at them.

What about that "impact" thing, Sean? I have a feeling that describing this impact might clarify some things here.

[shazeep]

i think the present day Church might be compared to the Wandering, and we are just somewhere in the Sinai right now.

[mfblume]

Peter said the world perished in Noah's day. The world. That's the word he used. That word must be consistent in definition throughout the whole chapter. He did not say only life perished. He said world. So whatever he meant by world that is what we must believe the word means when we read it's destruction by fire.

It can't mean life in one verse but the planet in the next.