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[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Loren, I am trying to tell you that the passage is covering the entire church age, into the Millienial.

Do you actually think that the world is everlastingly righteous?("and to bring in everlasting righteousness")

Loren, it is not even "hypothetically" righteous.

If you think that the Lord is simply, slowly but surely working on it, then He is slow as molasses.(2000 years of less righteousness)

Hence is the point. Sean. If the scripture does not fit YOUR thinking YOU change the meaning THAT IS FUTURISM.

The verse very clearly states all 6 things will come to pass within 70 weeks. There is not one word that remotely suggest a 2000 year gap anywhere in the passage.

Futurist instead of finding what is meant by "everlasting righteousness" would much rather say the word lies, and make a Gap between point a and point b.

YOU ARE NOT READING THE VERSE, SEAN, READ THE VERSE WITHOUT YOUR PRECONCIEVED MIND SET!

It does not matter what you or I think the verse should say, it is what the verse says that is important.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Hence is the point. Sean. If the scripture does not fit YOUR thinking YOU change the meaning THAT IS FUTURISM.

The verse very clearly states all 6 things will come to pass within 70 weeks. There is not one word that remotely suggest a 2000 year gap anywhere in the passage.

Futurist instead of finding what is meant by "everlasting righteousness" would much rather say the word lies, and make a Gap between point a and point b.

YOU ARE NOT READING THE VERSE, SEAN, READ THE VERSE WITHOUT YOUR PRECONCIEVED MIND SET!

It does not matter what you or I think the verse should say, it is what the verse says that is important.

The point is Loren, the world is NOT righteous, and the Lord has had 2000 years to spread righteousness as it spirals out of control from spiritual to carnal unrighteousness.

Doesn't that make you wonder?

Is being a preterist that big a deal to you to, override reality?

With this in mind, you are not defending your preconcieved opinion of scripture to defend preterism?

I just look at world events and society and realize how satanic and sin sick our world is getting when I read the verse.

Either the Word of God lied to us, or the King of Righteousness has not returned yet.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Loren, I am trying to tell you that the passage is covering the entire church age, into the Millienial.

Do you actually think that the world is everlastingly righteous?("and to bring in everlasting righteousness")

Loren, it is not even "hypothetically" righteous.

If you think that the Lord is simply, slowly but surely working on it, then He is slow as molasses.(2000 years of less righteousness)

Sean Sean, Sean, where does it say the world would be righteous? Are you righteous? Does the spirit of God make one righteous? Did the cross and the work of the cross give you access to be right in the eyes of God? Is not the promise of salvation for all time?

Originally Posted by Sean

The point is Loren, the world is NOT righteous, and the Lord has had 2000 years to spread righteousness as it spirals out of control from spiritual to carnal unrighteousness.

Doesn't that make you wonder?

Is being a preterist that big a deal to you to, override reality?

With this in mind, you are not defending your preconcieved opinion of scripture to defend preterism?

I just look at world events and society and realize how satanic and sin sick our world is getting when I read the verse.
Either the Word of God lied to us, or the King of Righteousness has not returned yet.

I guess then you don't think Christ was the king of righteousness and he did not come. I am beginning to think that If you lived in the time of Christ you would have been a Pharisee and taken part in putting Christ on the cross. Because the same scriptures you attempt to use for a second coming were the same scriptures they used to justify crucifying the Christ.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Sean Sean, Sean, where does it say the world would be righteous?


Right here....when He comes in His kingdom.....

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,....

According to this passage, the world will be purged of unrighteousness when Jesus comes, Right?




Are you righteous? Does the spirit of God make one righteous? Did the cross and the work of the cross give you access to be right in the eyes of God? Is not the promise of salvation for all time?


Yes, to a few of us, but we are talking about a particular time that the whole world will be subjected to the Righteous ONE!

Try not to confuse the events, Loren.


I guess then you don't think Christ was the king of righteousness and he did not come. I am beginning to think that If you lived in the time of Christ you would have been a Pharisee and taken part in putting Christ on the cross. Because the same scriptures you attempt to use for a second coming were the same scriptures they used to justify crucifying the Christ.

He is to me Loren, but He WILL be the King of righteouness to the entire world and to ALL mankind, just try to be patient, okay?

[Godsdrummer]

an 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


I don't know Sean, I guess you cannot count, or something. The prophecy, was that all six of the points in verse 24 would be fulfilled within the 70 week time period. The prophecy was then so specific as to set the starting point for the 70 weeks. "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". We can trace the time line from the command to restore Jerusalem to the time of the baptism of Christ to be exactly 69 weeks. Leaving the last week for Christ to complete and fulfill the six points of verse 24.

And since you seem to be hung up on the everlasting righteousness, look at these verses.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

Christ brought righteousness into the world, and his righteousness is forever. It that not everlasting righteousness?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

an 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


I don't know Sean, I guess you cannot count, or something. The prophecy, was that all six of the points in verse 24 would be fulfilled within the 70 week time period. The prophecy was then so specific as to set the starting point for the 70 weeks. "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". We can trace the time line from the command to restore Jerusalem to the time of the baptism of Christ to be exactly 69 weeks. Leaving the last week for Christ to complete and fulfill the six points of verse 24.

And since you seem to be hung up on the everlasting righteousness, look at these verses.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

Christ brought righteousness into the world, and his righteousness is forever. It that not everlasting righteousness?

Again Loren, only a few saints are righteous now.

The whole world will be FORCED into righteousness, when Jesus Christ returns.

You must kinda think that what we see today is the best that our God can ever do.

I got news for you....our Bible says Jesus will bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and ONLY allow the righteous to inhabit the earth.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

The whole world will be FORCED into righteousness, when Jesus Christ returns.

yikes

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Again Loren, only a few saints are righteous now.

The whole world will be FORCED into righteousness, when Jesus Christ returns.

You must kinda think that what we see today is the best that our God can ever do.

I got news for you....our Bible says Jesus will bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and ONLY allow the righteous to inhabit the earth.

That is just your problem Sean, GOD DOES NOT FORCE ANYONE TO SERVE HIM. It has always been about free will not force.

And actually Sean I don't know what cave you are living in but your perception of the world is so small it amazes me. Just because you cannot see the spread of Christianity beyond your narrow minded Pharisaical view point, does not make it so. Turn off your TV, radio, or whatever you get your new from. The crime rate per capita in the world is down from exponentially, from what it was just a few hundred years ago.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Again Loren, only a few saints are righteous now.

The whole world will be FORCED into righteousness, when Jesus Christ returns.

You must kinda think that what we see today is the best that our God can ever do.

I got news for you....our Bible says Jesus will bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and ONLY allow the righteous to inhabit the earth.

That says it all folks, that says it all.


I guess some thought I was kidding when I said that a session in Sean's Bible study class is the Gladiator School in the Circus Maximus?

Sean, when a man focuses just on the wrath of God then all he can see in the scripture is people getting what they deserve. Well, Sean, Jesus came so we don't get what we deserve. This is maybe why you fly off the hinges when you are opposed? Maybe it is because instead of heaven is in your view, hell is in your view, and all those who don't believe just like you are being thrown into it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

an 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


I don't know Sean, I guess you cannot count, or something. The prophecy, was that all six of the points in verse 24 would be fulfilled within the 70 week time period. The prophecy was then so specific as to set the starting point for the 70 weeks. "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". We can trace the time line from the command to restore Jerusalem to the time of the baptism of Christ to be exactly 69 weeks. Leaving the last week for Christ to complete and fulfill the six points of verse 24.

And since you seem to be hung up on the everlasting righteousness, look at these verses.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2Co_9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

Christ brought righteousness into the world, and his righteousness is forever. It that not everlasting righteousness?

It's not about the cross in dispensationalism.