Does Everyone Live Forever?

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by TulsaDavid

Burn for a while.

That sounds like a walk in the park to you?

[TulsaDavid]

Originally Posted by Ehud

Hello, Bro. Tulsa!
Would separation from God for ever more not be a punishment in your eyes?

The discussion is about annihilation of the wicked, their being obliterated into absolute nothingness. Quite moot at that point, don't you think.

Originally Posted by Costeon

That sounds like a walk in the park to you?

Not at all, but it would be exponentially far less punishment, if indeed the torment would eventually cease, as if the annihilation tale really could trump Rev 14:11.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by TulsaDavid

The discussion is about annihilation of the wicked, their being obliterated into absolute nothingness. Quite moot at that point, don't you think.

Not at all actually, but thank you for the response.

Have a good evening.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TulsaDavid

The discussion is about annihilation of the wicked, their being obliterated into absolute nothingness. Quite moot at that point, don't you think.
Not at all, but it would be exponentially far less punishment, if indeed the torment would eventually cease, as if the annihilation tale really could trump Rev 14:11.

How many FOREVERS passed from the time of creation till the time of the Church?

Colossians 1:26

26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages (forevers) and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

There were at least two forevers before Paul wrote this. We dont really know how many but definitely multiple forevers.

The devil will be tormented for ever and ever amen?

And yet we know he ends up being NO MORE.

Ezekiel 28:

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Also.....why did Jonah say he was in Hell forever? Jonah 2:6

How long was he there according to Jesus? Matt 12:40

[TulsaDavid]

Well, you can go around that mountain as many times as you like, but you won't change the definition of the lake of fire as the very final death meted to the lost. You also won't change that it is an ever-non-ceasing torture for the eons of eons. And Revelation is quite explicit about trying to change that. The devil will be tormented without end, the demons without end, the lost humanity without end, period. No exceptions. No getting around a definitive final death being an unceasing lake of fire.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TulsaDavid

Well, you can go around that mountain as many times as you like, but you won't change the definition of the lake of fire as the very final death meted to the lost. You also won't change that it is an ever-non-ceasing torture for the eons of eons. And Revelation is quite explicit about trying to change that. The devil will be tormented without end, the demons without end, the lost humanity without end, period. No exceptions. No getting around a definitive final death being an unceasing lake of fire.

The Holy Ghost gives us the true definition of death.

Psalms 146:2-4

2While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.

3Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

The living have BEING.

The dead have nothing. No thoughts no being.

The dead are not alive. Immortality is given to the saints not the sinners. Romans 2:7. Please read.

[JamesGlen]

Originally Posted by TulsaDavid

Well, you can go around that mountain as many times as you like, but you won't change the definition of the lake of fire as the very final death meted to the lost. You also won't change that it is an ever-non-ceasing torture for the eons of eons. And Revelation is quite explicit about trying to change that. The devil will be tormented without end, the demons without end, the lost humanity without end, period. No exceptions. No getting around a definitive final death being an unceasing lake of fire.

TulsaDavid, have you given consideration to the recent posts made?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by TulsaDavid

The discussion is about annihilation of the wicked, their being obliterated into absolute nothingness. Quite moot at that point, don't you think.
Not at all, but it would be exponentially far less punishment, if indeed the torment would eventually cease, as if the annihilation tale really could trump Rev 14:11.

Punishment for sin is whatever God says it is, not what you or I or anyone feels is "equitable". And God NOWHERE says sinners will inherit eternal life in hell or anywhere else. He DOES however say the wages of sin is death, and that the wicked will be no more.

You feel it would be "not enough" is sinners were actually destroyed, if they actually perished, if they were actually paid the wages of sin (death). Almost as if such a thing were too...merciful?... or something. Honestly you come across as someone who actually relishes the idea of UNENDING CEASELESS ETERNAL PAIN AND SUFFERING for everyone you think deserves it. But God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ez 33:11). Seems as if your thoughts are not His thoughts, neither are your ways His ways. You WANT people to suffer. Destruction is "too nice", it sounds as if sinners might get away with something, in your estimation.

But again, you aren't God, nor is truth determined by what any of us think or feel. It is what the WORD says. And the Word says the two options are happiness and immortality with God, or SORROW AND DEATH. The options are not immortality with God vs immortality somewhere apart from God. God is life, in Him we live and move and have our being. Our very existence is connected to His presence and His reality. He is EVERWHERE. Yet the wicked shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord (2 Thess 1:9). The word "from" in the Greek there is "apo" and means "away from". The wicked are banished from His presence. Since His presence is EVERYWHERE, they shall be NOWHERE. They shall no longer have their being.

Rev 14:11 doesn't say the wicked last forever. It says the smoke of their torment ascends forever, thus their punishment is ETERNAL. What is tgeir punishment? DEATH. They will suffer age-lasting DEATH, not age lasting life in misery.