When is a lie justified?

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Dan,

I will post this publicly since this is where it started. No where in my post is there any statement that says you are lying or dishonest about this. I did not accuse you of lying. I never said that you were a liar. Please show me where I stated you were a liar? I did not even imply you were a liar. I stated that there was no lie.

(edited and added by Stmatt - I have taken counsel by someone I highly respect and they have talked to me on this situation. I want to make it clear that DAN IS NOT A LIAR. And I apologize for any implication of that being the case. I did not mean for that to be implied. A conversation occurred between an Admin and Dan where Dan felt that Admins word to him was broken because it was discussed in the admin area. My initial post, and this one as well, was in a very upset state over this because I felt Dan was taking a shot at the Admin, and though I did not see the implication of Dan being called dishonest, others do, and for that I am sorry. As I stated at the end of this post, I am happy to discuss this, not just privately, but here publicly)

See, the real issue is that behind the scenes you accuse an admin of lying, and then come on publicly and start this thread. To everyone out here that did not see the behind the scenes deal, it is just innocent questions. But to us Admin, it is both offensive and an insult. Whether someone keep their word to you or not, for you to start this thread after the event happened is WRONG. It became, whether you intended it to or not, a "hidden" slap in the face. This is what has me upset.

NOTE: You folks want openness and "full disclosure", well here is some full disclosure for you.

Dan, I will be happy to discuss this further in PM more with you if it is needed. I am considering it a closed deal on my end, as I have dealt with enough for one day.

Matt...you totally missed it!
I WANTED to get the attention to admin.....I was being one side quoted and I was not about to sit there and let that happen...it got your attention.....mission accomplished.
I would have never openly rebuked admin...it was my way of begging you guys to address this!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Matt...you totally missed it!
I WANTED to get the attention to admin.....I was being one side quoted and I was not about to sit there and let that happen...it got your attention.....mission accomplished.
I would have never openly rebuked admin...it was my way of begging you guys to address this!

It's all about Dan saving the world. I give up.

[mizpeh]

Matt:18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Dan, I think you skipped step #2...

NOTE: You folks want openness and "full disclosure", well here is some full disclosure for you.

This is too much openess for me. It's personal between the two parties and those in charge. Some dirty laundry doesn't need to be aired in public unless there is no other recourse.

Love covers a multitude of sins. He that covers a transgression seeks love.

[RevDWW]

An oft overlooked and under applied attribute of Christ:


Isa 53:7 (KJV)
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Matt:18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Dan, I think you skipped step #2...



This is too much openess for me. It's personal between the two parties and those in charge. Some dirty laundry doesn't need to be aired in public unless there is no other recourse.

Love covers a multitude of sins. He that covers a transgression seeks love.

Here is where you are wrong....
I went to the person.....no progress...I went to another admin to help me....THEN I started the thread..
SO I did NOT skip #2

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

It's all about Dan saving the world. I give up.

This was am unnessary slam.....since when is asking folk to be transparent a wrong thing??