The High Price of Intentional Indiscretions

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

How many thousands of times have I contemplated to the very depths of my souls this very vein of thought.

I could say a great deal after having seen so much of intentional indiscretions. But, I've also seen a great deal that came from purposeful discretion.

I too had come to a crossroad in my own life. I hid away for many days in fasting and prayer. No it was not a question of holiness, wordliness, doctrine or anything related. No one is any more resolute than I on doctrine and known by some to be an ultra con, others a little on the liberal side. But, in this regard, I believe in holiness both inwardly and outwardly too. I wil never compromise in this regard.

While not really seeking the Lord specifically about the thing that was on my mind, never the less the Lord saw it and answered me in a very clear way, speaking to my very soul. I heard the Lord say, "You have a choice. You can be man's man or you can be my man. But you cannot be both." That answered the question in my mind once and for all...and for all eternity.

I have learned that if you truly walk with God, you will eventually walk ALONE with God. This statement may seem totally ludicrous to the typical fellowship officinatos that find their fellowship to be the strength of the Everlasting Arm. I am afraid that they have built the faith of their grandchildren, if not their children on sinking sand rather than the solid rock that will endure the test of time. To lean upon the passing fellowship fancy of the day will leave us empty in generatons to come.

Purposeful discretion rather than intentional indiscretion may be considered the extreme for some but it is better to walk with God alone that will lead forever onward and upward rather than lean upon the temporary whims of a fickle fellowship that will change with the wind, subject to the ballot and the 51% voting majority. To surrender control of your ministry, you life, hopes and dreams to such whims will surely pass at the first high tide or strong gale.

Just my surface thoughts here, without going any deeper into the greater area of contemplation that has been with me for much of my life.

Bro. Strange,

I posted this in another thread sometime ago. About twelve years ago

on a Sunday morning , a situation had arisen that I felt so very alone.

As I thought on the situation that had brought me to this place, the

One who stood with me whispered, "There is my Will and there is man's will.

There is my plan (or agenda), and there is man's plan (or agenda). You

must quickly discern the difference". It was a good lesson for me and

it caused me to have the ultimate confidence in my LORD and GOD!!

Because of that experience I probably will never be the same. Don't even

want to be the same. God is great and greatly to be praised.

Blessings,

Falla39

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Unfortunately, idiots like this couple are the face that the conservatives put on those that dare to disagree with given rules and regulations! It sounds to me that this couple's rebellious nature would have doomed them even if they had taken a sudden confusing ultra-con slant and started putting everyone at the rally in hell for wearing sleeves that didn't cover their elbows, etc. The "let's show them!" attitude stinks to the high heavens!

I believe that certain "civil disobedience" is needed to effect change when some rules and regulations are too stringent. But....going to the extreme to make a statement at a highly visible event is wrong, and shows a rebellious spirit!

DITTO me on this post. Pianoman thank you for lately posting the very points I want to make when reading some threads.

also DITTO to scupples who pointed out that this couple were operating in the gift of ignorance.

All this story proves is that ignorance, losing your walk with God, and divorce are not limited to any one stripe of Pentecost.

I would lay blame on them for the ignorant and unwise things this couple did just as I lay the blame for the ignorant and unwise things I see some conservative Pentecostals do where it belongs also.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by CC1

DITTO me on this post. Pianoman thank you for lately posting the very points I want to make when reading some threads.

also DITTO to scupples who pointed out that this couple were operating in the gift of ignorance.

All this story proves is that ignorance, losing your walk with God, and divorce are not limited to any one stripe of Pentecost.

I would lay blame on them for the ignorant and unwise things this couple did just as I lay the blame the ignorant and unwise things I see some conservative Pentecostals do where it belongs also.

Ditto!

Originally Posted by Sherri

This couple just moved in the gift of ignorance!! Never, never, never should you disrespect the men or organization that you serve under. I learned that best in the book "The Tale of Three Kings" which I have read several times. Even when you don't agree, if you are a part of the system, you should try to submit. If you feel that you cannot submit to something that you believe is error, then you should get out. But don't cause confusion in the body; you will be held accountable as a rebellious one.

What if you can't allow yourself to get out - but you feel that some things that are taught are in error?...ie. preaching that facial hair on men is wrong, preaching that even wearing watches will send you to hell, preaching that it's wear long sleeves or you're hell bound?

What's a person to do?....Not meaning to be rebellious, these people who don't agree with the standards, but can't leave, are at best misunderstood and at worst excommunicated. Any opinions from anyone? I've prayed Lord, please don't let me end up like the people in this story, but sometimes all of the mentioning of standards as being what makes us holy gets a little overwhelming in some churches. I want to keep "standards," but outward "standards" are not what make me holy. The beauty of holiness - in my opinion - is the beauty of being complete in Him - to have taken on His Spirit and bearing His fruits - not the fruits of long sleeves and no watches. Just my opinion. Please no attacks.

The couple mentioned in the first post were despicable. They showed very poor judgment - actually no wisdom or finesse.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Ditto!

Put me down for a Mega Ditto: Ignorance is no respector of persons from ultra lib to ultra con.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I realize that I might have some different convictions on some issues than some ,but I'm not gonna shove them in anybody's face.
Of course I'm not as liberal as some ,but not as strict as some either.

[pelathais]

That's a pretty stubborn view of yourself there, Brother Scott. On the one hand I'd say that you need to lighten up on yourself a little bit and not be so strict on how you define your views... but then I'm afraid that a "liberal" nature would take over and I'd never get that diet Coke you promised me!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That's a pretty stubborn view of yourself there, Brother Scott. On the one hand I'd say that you need to lighten up on yourself a little bit and not be so strict on how you define your views... but then I'm afraid that a "liberal" nature would take over and I'd never get that diet Coke you promised me!

Come on over and get that diet coke.
I'm more concerned about pleasing Jesus that fitting a mold.
You'll go crazy trying to please everybody.

[Felicity]

Flaunting liberty isn't very attractive. I've seen it happen and cringed.

I've always been very careful that although I have liberty where some don't ... not to flaunt it. I have too much respect for people who take a consecrated stand to do that.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by CC1

DITTO me on this post. Pianoman thank you for lately posting the very points I want to make when reading some threads.

also DITTO to scupples who pointed out that this couple were operating in the gift of ignorance.

All this story proves is that ignorance, losing your walk with God, and divorce are not limited to any one stripe of Pentecost.

I would lay blame on them for the ignorant and unwise things this couple did just as I lay the blame for the ignorant and unwise things I see some conservative Pentecostals do where it belongs also.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Ditto!

I do not accept your ditto Rhoni. Since all standard folks are really like those Mormon folk, then all non standard folks are ignorant and unwise like these folks.

Or is it only ok to broad brush when its dealing with conservative folks?