Well, for what it's worth ... I agree with you 100%, Jesus Christ is the Name required. The invocation of the singular NAME in Matt. 28:19 is JESUS CHRIST.
In our church anthem, one of the verses says ....
... "our wisdom and perfection, our righteousness and pow'r yea all we need in Jesus will we find this very hour!"
Isn't "Jesus" His Name?
and the word "Christ" (Anointed One or Messiah) an office or a title like the word "Lord"?
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Isn't "Jesus" His Name?
and the word "Christ" (Anointed One or Messiah) an office or a title like the word "Lord"?
Yes, but there were many named "Jesus" in those days (actually the Aramaic original as Sheltiedad pointed out). So, we have to identify which "Jesus" so that heaven knows who we're talking about. And then we have to hope that our English barbarisms aren't too garbled for heaven to understand what we mean.
Of course it all really is a matter of faith in the end, because we don't really even attempt to do it the way the Apostles must have done their baptisms. Horse tank or fiberglass sauna, liturgical recitations or a simple shout; most of what we do is a reaction against some other denomination and not a real search for the Apostolic pattern.
Just wondering why nobody remotely addressed this? I thought it was a good analogy of what those do that insist on putting things in water baptism that aren't necessary.
To me it's like saying, "I baptize you in the name the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Rose of Sharon, Lilly of the Valley and Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Eenie, meanie, mynie, moe - catch a tiger by it's toe - Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers and yo ho ho and a bottle of - (well, okay, not that part) - And it shall come to pass in the last days - Go and sin no more - rise, take up thy bed - and in Jesus Name."
WHY add what isn't necessary. It's the Name that God required.
Why put three more unnecessary medicines in the shot when all it takes is the right ONE to cure me?
Give me the name. You can keep the rest.
Excellent point, however the 1st Century church seems to have emphasized what the convert was saying and believing not so much what the liturgical officiant was pronouncing over the baptismal font (Acts 2:21 and Acts 22:16).
I shake my head when some read the bible as if it were a book of spells. There is a true failure in having a biblical perspective as to what is means to call upon the name of the Lord .... as it was taught to the saints in the OT and then the NT.
I shake my head when some read the bible as if it were a book of spells. There is a true failure in having a biblical perspective as to what is means to call upon the name of the Lord .... as it was taught to the saints in the OT and then the NT.
Dan, would you even consider casting out a devil without invoking the name of the Lord? Is the name of the Lord being used as a magical name when the sick are healed as in Acts 3?
Does this sound magical to you? The name of the Lord is a strong tower......
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Dan, would you even consider casting out a devil without invoking the name of the Lord? Is the name of the Lord being used as a magical name when the sick are healed as in Acts 3?
Does this sound magical to you? The name of the Lord is a strong tower......
I've seen men of God simply lay their hands on a demon possessed person and they are liberated ... why ??? because they did so in the name of the Lord .. with His person through them .... w/ His power and authority. As I have seen Spirit-filled people cast out demons while invoking the name of our Lord.
There are layers to this, Mizpeh. If simple invocation was enough then the sons of Sceva would not have been wrecked by the demon they sought exorcise. If simply casting out demons in His name ... or possessing the power given to us to do so ... is what saves us ... then those that God will not tell some on that day ... depart from me.
Some are hung up ... on the proper verbalization ... and that is troublesome.
I've seen men of God simply lay their hands on a demon possessed person and they are liberated ... why ??? because they did so in the name of the Lord .. with His person through them .... w/ His power and authority. As I have seen Spirit-filled people cast out demons while invoking the name of our Lord.
There are layers to this, Mizpeh. If simple invocation was enough then the sons of Sceva would not have been wrecked by the demon they sought exorcise. If simply casting out demons in His name ... or possessing the power given to us to do so ... is what saves us ... then those that God will not tell some on that day ... depart from me.
Some are hung up ... on the proper verbalization ... and that is troublesome.
I think I understand where you are coming from. One man said it like this, "empty hands laid on empty heads, speaking empty words that are dead".
I think though, that unless you clarify yourself, many will assume that you do not think it is needed at all to speak the name of Jesus.
I would say it takes BOTH relational authority, and the use of the Name, for one to work with power. I would not want to be guilty of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
My friend has left his UPCI church to go a different route. He says its so his wife will go to church with him. The church he goes to know baptizes like this:
"I now baptize you in the name of the Father, son and H.G. in the name of Jesus."
Any thoughts?
do they have kids?
I tell you this much, when someone who knows and believes the truth, finds themselves in such a situation, that is one thing, but when you believe something, but raise your kids in an environment that is differnent, you are in a world of trouble.
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I tell you this much, when someone who knows and believes the truth, finds themselves in such a situation, that is one thing, but when you believe something, but raise your kids in an environment that is differnent, you are in a world of trouble.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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