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Old 11-15-2007, 01:11 AM
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Hey, and so much for Mothers Day/ Fathers day observances in church every year. Thats not scriptural either.

If we were to use that same logic I guess we wouldn't even have watch-night/New Years Eve observances in church either. Not only is it a non-biblical practice, but pagans were well known for having special observances to welcome the new year also.
The Bible says to honor your father and mother. It says nothing about celebrating God's birthday, as if He had one.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:40 AM
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The Bible says to honor your father and mother. It says nothing about celebrating God's birthday, as if He had one.
It says nothing about making sure to NOT observing Jesus's birthday either, so... I think the scriptures I posted previously still apply here. (Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17)

Of course, "God" doesn't have a birthday per se, but the Son of God obviously did. And if Christians choose to use December 25th to observe/commemorate his birth, why would that be a a problem?


Again, it says nothing about watchnight/New Years Eve services either.. but most Apostolic churches observe that annually. Is that wrong ?

And the bible doesn't tell us to observe birthdays either, but most apostolics observe that too. Is that wrong?
As a matter of fact, it seems that most Apostolic churches even make it a point to take time out during a Sunday morning service to honor their pastor and pastor's wife when their birthday comes around. I guess you could consider that to be the "unbiblical observation of something the bible doesn't tell us to observe" ... and I guess you'd be right.
Still I think some saints make a bigger deal over this stuff than God does.
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:26 AM
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It says nothing about making sure to NOT observing Jesus's birthday either, so... I think the scriptures I posted previously still apply here. (Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17)

Of course, "God" doesn't have a birthday per se, but the Son of God obviously did. And if Christians choose to use December 25th to observe/commemorate his birth, why would that be a a problem?


Again, it says nothing about watchnight/New Years Eve services either.. but most Apostolic churches observe that annually. Is that wrong ?

And the bible doesn't tell us to observe birthdays either, but most apostolics observe that too. Is that wrong?
As a matter of fact, it seems that most Apostolic churches even make it a point to take time out during a Sunday morning service to honor their pastor and pastor's wife when their birthday comes around. I guess you could consider that to be the "unbiblical observation of something the bible doesn't tell us to observe" ... and I guess you'd be right.
Still I think some saints make a bigger deal over this stuff than God does.

The difference is that the Bible clearly warns against adopting pagan practices and then doing them unto the Lord. If Christmas had no connection whatsoever to Jesus then I wouldn't have such an issue against it. God doesn't have a birthday and the only thing He said to do in remembrance of Him was communion, not set a day aside to celebrate the day He came to Earth as a man. He certainly never gave instructions to anyone to take pagan practices and call them Christian, as some method to win more converts. Any way I look at it, celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday blatently goes against God's Word.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:40 AM
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The difference is that the Bible clearly warns against adopting pagan practices and then doing them unto the Lord. If Christmas had no connection whatsoever to Jesus then I wouldn't have such an issue against it. God doesn't have a birthday and the only thing He said to do in remembrance of Him was communion, not set a day aside to celebrate the day He came to Earth as a man. He certainly never gave instructions to anyone to take pagan practices and call them Christian, as some method to win more converts. Any way I look at it, celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday blatently goes against God's Word.
God doesn't have a birthday, but Jesus does.

And, to follow this line of reasoning, in our churches we sing songs to music that originated in worldly environments. Many of the songs we sing and dance and shout to are sung to blues and jazz music.

We also sing songs that were written by trinitarians.

Where do we draw the line?
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:00 PM
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God doesn't have a birthday, but Jesus does.
Is Jesus God and is God Jesus?
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:03 PM
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:10 PM
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Jesus was born. Jesus grew and aged. Jesus died.

And He never instructed any of His disciples to make a Holy Day out of the day He was born. It never ceases to amaze me how willing people are to throw out the Bible in favor of Christianity's sacred cow, Christmas.
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:25 AM
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Jesus was born. Jesus grew and aged. Jesus died.
And if you say that God didn't do those things, then you are separating God and Jesus, therefore, you aren't oneness.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:20 PM
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Is Jesus God and is God Jesus?
You're fighting a losing battle here, Bro. Concede gracefully.

If you're wondering, just go read some scripture.......there are a few that contain the phrase "This day is BORN a savior........."
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:17 AM
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You're fighting a losing battle here, Bro. Concede gracefully.

If you're wondering, just go read some scripture.......there are a few that contain the phrase "This day is BORN a savior........."

A losing battle? Not hardly, Bro. I haven't celebrated Christmas for 15 years straight and don't plan on reversing course now. Christmas is pagan, and unless an apple tree can produce oranges Christmas will continue to be pagan.
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