Tithing…Is it a command?

[obriencp]

uh-oh... sounds like Roxanne might be black-listed now because she studied the word for herself and refuses to bow down to man-made laws as a blatant act of disobedience. J/K give cheerfully

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by obriencp

uh-oh... sounds like Roxanne might be black-listed now because she studied the word for herself and refuses to bow down to man-made laws as a blatant act of disobedience. J/K give cheerfully

[obriencp]

in this corner we have the non-tithers being accused of robbing God.

and in this corner we have the tithe preachers being accused of robbing God's people.

Breathe in, breathe out. We're all passionate about what we believe.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

There is not one single scripture that speaks against the tithe.
It is your crowd who speaks against the tithe, not the scriptures
for there is not one single one that says "do not pay tithes" or anything like that.


You go ahead to McDonalds and ask them to feed you for nothing, let me know how it goes.

I have been in plenty of services where I have seen people put not a penny in the plate and yet felt qualified to criticize the sermon or the Pastor.

People go to church and get spiritual food, which is just as important (man shall not live by bread alone) as spiritual food. I have seen the plate passed around with a few pennies, maybe a dollar or two.

would Now try going to McDonald and give the same amount of money you put in the collection plate and let us see how much food your cheapskate non-tithing miserly, stingy crowd get for what they put in the collection plate.

I know one thing. I'd never want to sit under a pastor with an attitude like yours.

Second to that as far as your McDonald's analogy goes, well I've heard a lot of Pentecostal (I dare not call it Apostolic) preaching that would qualify for the dollar menu. Sometimes the quality of the preaching us trying to pass soy off as meat.

Some folk think real highly of their preaching. I hate when I hear a preacher say "I'm preaching good tonight" or "That's so good I'll have to amen my own message". And ironically most of it is just emotionalism and red meat phrases to work the crowd. But if someone can't even do enough Biblical exposition to realize how weak the tithing doctrine is, well I'm not sure about the rest of their teaching.

As for your righteous indignation when you say "It is your crowd who speaks against the tithe, not the scriptures
for there is not one single one that says "do not pay tithes" or anything like that."

I'd simply point out there is not a single scripture anywhere that speaks of PAYING tithes". But again I suggest, maybe you should just write that into your own version of the Bible like you changed Matthew 28:19. Make a customized OP Bible. Who needs the Apocrypha when we can just change the text itself?

You also said " Now try going to McDonald and give the same amount of money you put in the collection plate and let us see how much food your cheapskate non-tithing miserly, stingy crowd.". Which makes me wonder if perhaps not only have you not studied the scripture on tithing but perhaps you have missed the scriptures about the qualifications of a bishop. Please allow me to refer you to the criteria of 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I know one thing. I'd never want to sit under a pastor with an attitude like yours.

Well one thing I do know is that I would not want a church member with an attitude like yours.

God does not need your money at all, you can keep it all.
Go on your merry way and enjoy the money you have robbed from God.

Go to McDonalds and buy yourself the latest mega super duper burger with fries and a drink and enjoy it.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

When you need to be baptized, married or buried I hope your preacher does not have to excuse himself by saying sorry, but since I have to go work at McDonalds to support my family, I will simply throw a glass of water upon you, I will tweet you the wedding ceremony, or I will text you a few words to your funeral.

Jesus could have turned stones into bread, yet there were plenty of people who gave him and the Apostles of their substance.

Go and enjoy your meal at McDonalds where a poor preacher is probably flipping the burgers you will eat since, he has to supplement his income because the miserly, stingy, God robbing anti-tithe crowd do not want to pay him for all his efforts.

Go ahead and muzzle your ox till he starves.

I'm a bi vocational pastor. And it is hard. Ministry is hard. But I do it because I minister to meet peoples needs not for them to meet mine. Are there times I wish I was a f/t salaried pastor? I'm not going to lie, yes there are. But overall I am glad that I have never been a financial burden to any church. I have always preached free, and I believe God has blessed me abundantly. I have very nice temporal things and live well. And I'm not offended that I have to work.

I dont preach or pastor because I need a job. I do it because I want to see people saved.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I'm a bi vocational pastor. And it is hard. Ministry is hard. But I do it because I minister to meet peoples needs not for them to meet mine. Are there times I wish I was a f/t salaried pastor? I'm not going to lie, yes there are. But overall I am glad that I have never been a financial burden to any church. I have always preached free, and I believe God has blessed me abundantly. I have very nice temporal things and live well. And I'm not offended that I have to work.

I dont preach or pastor because I need a job. I do it because I want to see people saved.

Don't get yourself so high and pure.
I am a too a working minister. I have never taken a single penny from the ministry, I have always preached free for over 30 years, can you say the same?

For over 30 years I have preached the tithe, yet I have taken nothing from the collection plate, but instead have contributed thousands of dollars and countless hours to the ministry without receiving a single cent.
So please spare me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I'm a bi vocational pastor. And it is hard. Ministry is hard. But I do it because I minister to meet peoples needs not for them to meet mine. Are there times I wish I was a f/t salaried pastor? I'm not going to lie, yes there are. But overall I am glad that I have never been a financial burden to any church. I have always preached free, and I believe God has blessed me abundantly. I have very nice temporal things and live well. And I'm not offended that I have to work.

I dont preach or pastor because I need a job. I do it because I want to see people saved.

Personally I believe we screwed up big time by having a class of believers called ministry and the other class just the sheeple.

We should have been training and expecting EVERYONE to be a minister.

If someone needs to be baptized why wait for Pastor Joe to get done flipping hamburgers?

No where in the bible does it stipulate who can or can't baptize does it?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Personally I believe we screwed up big time by having a class of believers called ministry and the other class just the sheeple.

We should have been training and expecting EVERYONE to be a minister.

If someone needs to be baptized why wait for Pastor Joe to get done flipping hamburgers?

No where in the bible does it stipulate who can or can't baptize does it?

BINGO!!!, Rome did not give the Church a license to preach. The Lord did, when He filled the saints with the Holy Ghost.....

Here is our call...Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your old men shall dream dreams,
your young men shall see visions:

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Personally I believe we screwed up big time by having a class of believers called ministry and the other class just the sheeple.

We should have been training and expecting EVERYONE to be a minister.

If someone needs to be baptized why wait for Pastor Joe to get done flipping hamburgers?

No where in the bible does it stipulate who can or can't baptize does it?

Now you just went and tipped another sacred cow!