Who Decides What is a Rebellious Act...or Not?

If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...

Any input??????

Originally Posted by Annie

If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...

Any input??????

Rebellion against whom? It's only rebellion against God if it is disobedience to His word or to something He has specifically told the individual (which is always in line with His word). Otherwise, it may be rebellion against the teachings of the particular church where one is attending.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Annie

If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...
Any input??????

I trim my hair all the time....

Originally Posted by Annie

If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...

Any input??????

This is one of the teachings I adhered to when I came into the UPC and out of the world. I can not imagine letting down on the very principles that I feel saved me. In doing this I feel as though I would be backsliding.

Originally Posted by Titus_2_3

This is one of the teachings I adhered to when I came into the UPC and out of the world. I can not imagine letting down on the very principles that I feel saved me. In doing this I feel as though I would be backsliding.

So, you were saved by works and NOT by grace?

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Chan

Rebellion against whom? It's only rebellion against God if it is disobedience to His word or to something He has specifically told the individual (which is always in line with His word). Otherwise, it may be rebellion against the teachings of the particular church where one is attending.

What are your thoughts on those who are considered "rebellious" they don't line up to the pastor? Not things that are mandated by the Word, but things the pastor requires... I'd say when it comes to those things that if you don't think you could live up to what the pastor teaches outside of the bible, then you would be safe to go a find another church...(and not church hopping either).. what do you think?

[tbpew]

For my second posting risk of the morning....
in the face-hair-on-men thread now somewhere back around page 7-9, I was stirred by a posting response made by poster "Coonskinner"; I am copying into this post because I think it is asking the same thing as this thread is asking, albeit, with a male at the center rather than a female.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

from the earlier thread I mention above, with underline highlights by me
Quote:
I refuse to make this an issue of rebellion. I probably lose some points on the CQ for that. (Conservative Quotient)

I have learned that if you really want to be in ministry, there are a lot of "rights" that I have to be willing to give up. And things like a beard are the least of it.

So if a man heard my comments and didn't shave his beard, I would basically shrug my shoulders and continue to love him. I would certainly not take it personally or try to run him off. Good grief.

I am greatly interested in the part of your statement that I bolded above.

You words express an understanding that, operating within your calling and election in God, that YOU CAN DETERMINE what is and what is NOT rebellion.

This would make the issue of rebellion a purposed decision made by the recipient [protagonist] of the preceived rebellion NOT a condition of the person's heart [antagonist].

This is a dramatic departure from the way I was taught rebellion existed. I was always taught it was a "spirit of rebellion". With you comment, a spirit of rebellion could be made an issue or NOT made an issue. The only environment were something could be made or not made, is within the realm of men's dominion.

This post invites consideration of whether what is often called rebellion is actually a decision made by a man, with respect to the actions of another person, and NOT a reality established in the realm of the Spirit.

Well, I guess this is a 'taboo' subject...not one response from a woman who trims her hair.

I was SO strong about this years ago- and now it's becoming fuzzy and cloudy. I was hoping for some knowledgable input from folks who have 'been there' and 'done that'...42 views and 7 responses- are we afraid of the ambush, ladies??

Thanks anyways!!

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

What are your thoughts on those who are considered "rebellious" they don't line up to the pastor? Not things that are mandated by the Word, but things the pastor requires... I'd say when it comes to those things that if you don't think you could live up to what the pastor teaches outside of the bible, then you would be safe to go a find another church...(and not church hopping either).. what do you think?

As I asked earlier, rebellion against whom? I can see how some might claim one is in rebellion against one's pastor or local church for not following what's taught but that isn't necessarily the same thing as rebellion against God. Where local church teachings are consistent with God's word, rebellion against those teachings could be considered rebellion against God. The Bible does command us to obey those who have the rule over us and the passage was referring to rule in the Church. Where church teachings are not consistent with the word of God (such as those churches teaching against beards), Peter's statement comes to mind to the effect of "Whether it's right for us to obey God or obey men, you judge."

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by tbpew

For my second posting risk of the morning....
in the face-hair-on-men thread now somewhere back around page 7-9, I was stirred by a posting response made by poster "Coonskinner"; I am copying into this post because I think it is asking the same thing as this thread is asking, albeit, with a male at the center rather than a female.



I am greatly interested in the part of your statement that I bolded above.

You words express an understanding that, operating within your calling and election in God, that YOU CAN DETERMINE what is and what is NOT rebellion.

This would make the issue of rebellion a purposed decision made by the recipient [protagonist] of the preceived rebellion NOT a condition of the person's heart [antagonist].

This is a dramatic departure from the way I was taught rebellion existed. I was always taught it was a "spirit of rebellion". With you comment, a spirit of rebellion could be made an issue or NOT made an issue. The only environment were something could be made or not made, is within the realm of men's dominion.

This post invites consideration of whether what is often called rebellion is actually a decision made by a man, with respect to the actions of another person, and NOT a reality established in the realm of the Spirit.

The Scripture says, "Fathers, provoke not your children to wrath."

I think that is good advice for pastors too.

The Scripture gives the ministry the responsibility of taking oversight of the flock. Included in that responsibility is the setting of certain guidelines for the local assembly, through the prayerful application of Scriptural principles.

I do not personally feel that, regarding the issue you brought up, I could make it a test of fellowship, and thereby provoke to wrath.

The provoker is not blameless, and neither is the one who is provoked.