Masculine or Feminine?

[Praxeas]

If a person was male then a noun referring to him would be masculine so would a pronoun.

Also too often the gender might change the meaning a little or allow for slightly different meanings, though I have found this is not always consistant

For example the greek words for one are Hen, Heis and Mia....Neuter, Masculine and Feminine..

Trinitarians claim Hen means one in unity, which this is allowable it is not always true that Hen means a unity but can and has been used to mean one singularly....in our language we have the same thing..One can mean one in number but it can also express a unity.

Heis generally is one in number but it has also been used to mean one in unity if I remember right. This argument by the Trinitarians is blown out of the water when one realizes when Jesus quotes the Shema he uses Heis instead of Hen...so he would have the Shema as "Hear Oh Israel, the LORD our GOD, the LORD is One in number"

[Singrkel]

I guess for clarity I will explain myself. When I presented my Pastor with the hair/skirt issue, he told me that you can't use what the guy on actseighteen says because he uses the wrong translation, ie feminine and masculine. He says unless you understand the greek language, you shouldn't use strong's because you can twist things around to mean something that it's not. My husband and I are just more confused now than ever. Some people say one thing, and some people say another thing. How do I know who's got it right? If my mind can be changed from something that I once believed so strongly in, how do I know which side is right? When I used to pray or study this, it all just made sense. Now when I pray, I feel something totally different. I feel like I'm being torn in two. I just cried so hard all the way home from church last night. I keep trying not to think about this or talk about it, but I can't. I feel like I'm going to crack! My husband is a 5th generation pentecostal, and he's just as lost as I am....

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by Singrkel

I guess for clarity I will explain myself. When I presented my Pastor with the hair/skirt issue, he told me that you can't use what the guy on actseighteen says because he uses the wrong translation, ie feminine and masculine. He says unless you understand the greek language, you shouldn't use strong's because you can twist things around to mean something that it's not. My husband and I are just more confused now than ever. Some people say one thing, and some people say another thing. How do I know who's got it right? If my mind can be changed from something that I once believed so strongly in, how do I know which side is right? When I used to pray or study this, it all just made sense. Now when I pray, I feel something totally different. I feel like I'm being torn in two. I just cried so hard all the way home from church last night. I keep trying not to think about this or talk about it, but I can't. I feel like I'm going to crack! My husband is a 5th generation pentecostal, and he's just as lost as I am....

Shouldn't use Strong's unless you know the Greek? Really?

I'm sorry this has been so difficult for you.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Shouldn't use Strong's unless you know the Greek? Really?

I'm sorry this has been so difficult for you.

Personally I think you should know something about the greek.

I already gave this example but the word ONE in greek has masc, fem and neut genders...not only that words in greek also have case and number. All of these can affect the meaning or use of the word.

In the case of the number 1 I remember hearing Oneness preachers going to John 10:30 and declaring the greek word there is Heis and Heis means one in number only...because Strongs says so

Well I discovered that actually Strongs does not give a separate definition for Hen and Mia....what he does is give Heis and then lumps the other two under it but does not get into their definitions or how they can or are used. It can be very confusing but the greek word in John 10:30 is NOT Heis but Hen.

There are other tools to use besides Strongs and I would suggest everyone check them out. You won't have to shell out 400 for an expensive program or lexicon either.

Another old greek dictionary/lexicon is Joseph Thayers...his was actually a lexicon but they have a free dictionary version on the net you can use. Then you can look up words in something like International Standard Bible Encyclopedia which will also give the greek and hebrew and then there is Vines. Vines elaborates on where Strongs does not. Also neither one will help with pronouns and conjunctions and verbs like "is" or articles like "the"

I use Esword and for it I have all free stuff except for a paid version of the NETbible which comes with commentary and Zodhaites Greek Lexicon which is not the best but better than just using Strongs. I never paid more than 20 for either.

I have strongs, thayers, vines. I also have on it Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, which you will find a lot of others refer to.

http://books.google.com/books?id=V94...mbnail#PPP1,M1
I also have a NT greek concordance of actual greek words, not english. SO I can look at a specific word, not merely a grouping, and see where else it is used in the NT and see HOW it is used.

Here knowing a little greek or at least cheating by looking at the endings to see what the case is can help in comparisons.

For example the word LOGOS in greek is Word, thought, Idea, faculty of reasoning. Pros in greek is with but can also mean pertaining to.

Pros in Jn 1 is in the accusative I believe. Well in other examples like that it has been translated pertaining too. If you can look at the greek you can compare it to the lexicon of the accusative form and see other verses where it is also in the accusative. So some OPs have claimed in Jn 1 it should be "THe Logos was pertaining to God", rather than the Trinitarian favorite "The Logos was WITH God"..

In another case I have personally highlighted a pharisee is seen praying withIN himself (Pros) and is in the same form. And even if translated with, you still have one person not two. Pros then does not necessarily connect two persons together.

All this though is probably not necessary for personal devotion unless you are a very highly intellectual type person...not trying to put them down or those that are not that intellectual.

For me though I had to study this stuff for apologetics. In fact I am still thinking of taking extended greek classes. I don't want to spend a lot of money though since having a degree in greek isn't going to do me much lol

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Singrkel

I guess for clarity I will explain myself. When I presented my Pastor with the hair/skirt issue, he told me that you can't use what the guy on actseighteen says because he uses the wrong translation, ie feminine and masculine. He says unless you understand the greek language, you shouldn't use strong's because you can twist things around to mean something that it's not. My husband and I are just more confused now than ever. Some people say one thing, and some people say another thing. How do I know who's got it right? If my mind can be changed from something that I once believed so strongly in, how do I know which side is right? When I used to pray or study this, it all just made sense. Now when I pray, I feel something totally different. I feel like I'm being torn in two. I just cried so hard all the way home from church last night. I keep trying not to think about this or talk about it, but I can't. I feel like I'm going to crack! My husband is a 5th generation pentecostal, and he's just as lost as I am....

Strongs has a tendency to lump all three genders under one heading/definition. Though I am still not sure what the point was....you said what and your pastor said what?

[smurfette]

Originally Posted by Singrkel

I guess for clarity I will explain myself. When I presented my Pastor with the hair/skirt issue, he told me that you can't use what the guy on actseighteen says because he uses the wrong translation, ie feminine and masculine. He says unless you understand the greek language, you shouldn't use strong's because you can twist things around to mean something that it's not. My husband and I are just more confused now than ever. Some people say one thing, and some people say another thing. How do I know who's got it right? If my mind can be changed from something that I once believed so strongly in, how do I know which side is right? When I used to pray or study this, it all just made sense. Now when I pray, I feel something totally different. I feel like I'm being torn in two. I just cried so hard all the way home from church last night. I keep trying not to think about this or talk about it, but I can't. I feel like I'm going to crack! My husband is a 5th generation pentecostal, and he's just as lost as I am....

Dear Sing,
I know what you are going through. I am also on my own search for the truth. I however am in an easier position than you are. I moved out of state, so I don't feel any of the pressure of my old church. The church I am now attending is not as ultra conservative as the one I was attending. I feel like I can step back from the situation and look at it from an unbiased view.

Where I used to attend everything was preached against. Hair, dress, makeup, wedding rings, Christmas trees, sleeve length and etc.

One thing about the dresses that I found interesting on acts eighteen sight was the Rabbi's interpretation of Duet. 22:5. I feel that they would be the best at interp. that since they only study the Old Testament. I'm praying for me and I'll pray for you. God bless you in your quest.

[LadyRev]

Personal opinion...

Someone telling me I shouldn't use a Strong's Concordance or other similar material to assist in the study of God's word is equivalent to my former Roman Catholic leadership who always told us we shouldn't read/study the bible because we would never understand it and we would only be confused.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Singrkel

I guess for clarity I will explain myself. When I presented my Pastor with the hair/skirt issue, he told me that you can't use what the guy on actseighteen says because he uses the wrong translation, ie feminine and masculine. He says unless you understand the greek language, you shouldn't use strong's because you can twist things around to mean something that it's not. My husband and I are just more confused now than ever. Some people say one thing, and some people say another thing. How do I know who's got it right? If my mind can be changed from something that I once believed so strongly in, how do I know which side is right? When I used to pray or study this, it all just made sense. Now when I pray, I feel something totally different. I feel like I'm being torn in two. I just cried so hard all the way home from church last night. I keep trying not to think about this or talk about it, but I can't. I feel like I'm going to crack! My husband is a 5th generation pentecostal, and he's just as lost as I am....

On the skirt issue sister..it's hebrew not greek.

Also, we use strongs because we DO NOT know greek and hebrew. if we knew those languages the the original texts were written in we would have no need for Stongs or Lexicons.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

On the skirt issue sister..it's hebrew not greek.

Also, we use strongs because we DO NOT know greek and hebrew. if we knew those languages the the original texts were written in we would have no need for Stongs or Lexicons.

Actually it is greek too. They use the greek for "modest apparel" to show that it is supposed to be a long dress like garment.

BTW even someone that can read greek needs a dictionary to know what the word means

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually it is greek too. They use the greek for "modest apparel" to show that it is supposed to be a long dress like garment.

BTW even someone that can read greek needs a dictionary to know what the word means

I did not know that! Very cool!