Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
To all of the wonderful friends and foes who post on this forum.... I want to say first of all how sorry I am if my words have offended either of you. I suppose out here you feel more at liberty to let your expressions lose since there is no personal interaction, there's no facial expressions to tell when you have hurt someone, there's no fear of having to interact with that person in the future and thus you're not as careful in the way you speak.....
I would like for this board to know... one minute with me in person and you and I would be friends for life. Anyone who has ever met me will tell you there is not a time when my smile is not from ear to ear, making everyone laugh and keeping peoples Spirits high... I love people, I love Gods church and most importantly I love God.
Here is my question..... If someone like myself is a Fundametalist.. and what I mean by that is, we take a very literal interpretation of Gods Word.. we don't do well with "We'll it really means this or that or in the original it doesn't mean that.. we find safety in taking as much of the Word at face value as possible... and if by chance we have it wrong.. we feel facing God without Greek or Hebrew knowledge would not be counted against us.....
Rather than try to find ways "Around" the Word... I am one who feels safe in reading the WORD and living it exactly as I read it... I am not condoning ignorance.. education is something I preach and believe in vehemntly.. but sometimes I do wonder if "much learning has not made us mad."
Now, my question for this board.... why is it that if someone like me who is very fundamental is so reviled? I realize my opinions are contrary to the mainstream but is was not so just years ago with my forefather.....
Had I made these statements just 30 years ago
A woman should not preach
Men should not remarry if they are divorced
Women should not cut their hair
my statements would have been in accordance with the times... but of course now in this age those statements are considered mean and unmerciful
When it comes to the marriage issue,, it is not easy for me to make the stand I do... My father is on his 4th, my mother is on her 3rd, my grandmother is on her 2nd and I was ALMOST on my 2nd... before I heard a man of God preach on the issue of Marriage and Divorce.. before that time I TRULY did not have a strong biblical foundation on the issue....
I made my stand after much study and soul searching..... for me to tell you that I believe my own Father is in sin.. is NOT EASY...... but I feel compelled to face God with a clear conscience that I said it AS I SAW IT...
If God is going to judge us by obeying what we read or obeying what we should have known the Passage REALLY MEANT.. will we not all be in trouble?
Again.,,, why is there no more room in the kingdom for men such as myself who believe in MERCY.. were it not for his mercy I would on my way to hell in a hurry... I LOVE MERCY I believe IN MERCY but I do not believe that MERCY is a LICENSE to deliberately disobey Gods Word.....
For the record.. if a man and woman has remarried,, I would always counsel them to remain as you are.... but with the knowledge you now have you must NEVER REMARRy.... Is that being cruel? Is that being hateful? or is that being faithful to Gods Word....
I bless all of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Your Brother in Christ
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I appreciate your convictions, such as they are. I do wonder though about women in the church, in your opinion what is their place?
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
The man is not riveled. And certainly not for his views. It's a personal thing. It's the way you post to others. The moment you came to this board you were abrasive and then when folks responded to you in kind suddenly you were Mr Innocent being attacked by everyone for your views. Good grief
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
I appreciate your convictions, such as they are. I do wonder though about women in the church, in your opinion what is their place?
Ok,, you guys just love getting me in trouble don't you?
You see you ask my opinion and I will give it and this board will call me hateful and out of touch... but here is my opinion
I believe a womans place first and foremost is as the nuturer of her children and the helper of her husband... you will forgive me if that sounds archaic
In the church her role is as Paul said.. Pauls mentions the woman praying and Prophesying.... with her head covered in reverence to her head which is her husband... there is a strong admonition for women to be used of God in prayer and the gifts of the Spirit.... and as workers she is simply forbidden because of "the beginning" to have any authority over a man..... not that the man is better than her but he is her head... I KNOW, I KNOW.. how dare I say such things..... but she is allowed to TEACH THE WOMEN,, Paul encourages the older women to teach the younger women.... she does wonderfully in connecting with children and training them in the ways of God... but when she stands to bring forth doctrine, rebuke, correction, exhortation she is stepping in an authorative position over the souls of men and God has forbidden it.... sorry.. no harm intended
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ok,, you guys just love getting me in trouble don't you?
You see you ask my opinion and I will give it and this board will call me hateful and out of touch... but here is my opinion
I believe a womans place first and foremost is as the nuturer of her children and the helper of her husband... you will forgive me if that sounds archaic
In the church her role is as Paul said.. Pauls mentions the woman praying and Prophesying.... with her head covered in reverence to her head which is her husband... there is a strong admonition for women to be used of God in prayer and the gifts of the Spirit.... and as workers she is simply forbidden because of "the beginning" to have any authority over a man..... not that the man is better than her but he is her head... I KNOW, I KNOW.. how dare I say such things..... but she is allowed to TEACH THE WOMEN,, Paul encourages the older women to teach the younger women.... she does wonderfully in connecting with children and training them in the ways of God... but when she stands to bring forth doctrine, rebuke, correction, exhortation she is stepping in an authorative position over the souls of men and God has forbidden it.... sorry.. no harm intended
No harm taken,
I was just curious about your feelings on this. I find it interesting that Women not preaching, and lack of remarriage, and no hair-cutting are three things that you decided to point out in your post. It seems as if you are looking to cause controversy.
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Do NOT act in such a way as to be offensive, and then blame it on me"
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
No harm taken,
I was just curious about your feelings on this. I find it interesting that Women not preaching, and lack of remarriage, and no hair-cutting are three things that you decided to point out in your post. It seems as if you are looking to cause controversy.
Ok you can cut your hair, and preach, but the remarriage thing you are stuck!!
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
No harm taken,
I was just curious about your feelings on this. I find it interesting that Women not preaching, and lack of remarriage, and no hair-cutting are three things that you decided to point out in your post. It seems as if you are looking to cause controversy.
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Ok you can cut your hair, and preach, but the remarriage thing you are stuck!!
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Sorry Baron,, not following you... come again
Pro31:28 is my wife. And she can preach to anyone who will listen, and she is sucha good preacher that the men stay and listen too. In fact I remember one man telling her after she preached that she was the best natural speaker he had ever heard.
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Pro31:28 is my wife. And she can preach to anyone who will listen, and she is sucha good preacher that the men stay and listen too. In fact I remember one man telling her after she preached that she was the best natural speaker he had ever heard.
You are the spiritual head of your home... direct it in the path you feel God leading you...
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
No harm taken,
I was just curious about your feelings on this. I find it interesting that Women not preaching, and lack of remarriage, and no hair-cutting are three things that you decided to point out in your post. It seems as if you are looking to cause controversy.
No, those just happen to be the topics of discussion as of late
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