Conservatives and Traditionalists Is this as Good as it Gets!

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

What percentage do you see as "willing" to be used in ministry in the traditional church model?

It is not far from 10% usually.

I know of a church that had near 2000 in attendance last week. They did have 200 involved in outreach through the week.

Seems 200 divided by 2000 is on target to Keith's illustration.

This is so true as a pastor I would love to see more involved in various ministries of the church but there are those who just dont want to commit to any area of the church work.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E

This is so true as a pastor I would love to see more involved in various ministries of the church but there are those who just dont want to commit to any area of the church work.

So is 10% far fetched like rrford said, or is it closer to what you have experienced???

[Felicity]

In any church no matter how large or small for that matter you have a core group of workers .... then you have a group that will help the core group when/if asked. Then you have those who come faithfully to church but don't get involved at all. Then you have those who come to church sporadically.

The core group is a very small percentage of the whole. 10% is probably about right.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

Keith,

Your model is not totally typical of every assmebly on either side of the equation. All we can really do is speak hypothetically. You may be asking some of us the question who understand a healthy congregation may well be a blending of the two systems you put forth.

I think if we are honest the model/blue print that we all been handed is far from the NT norm, I just want to know we push as being a restorational church in doctrine but how come most pastors/leaders still embrace a model that really doesnt release people into ministry, doesn't produce a high quality disciple and in essence makes saints to be good church members but far from a powerful witness for Jesus Christ.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

Upon further review of your "system" I think you have written it to portray the traditional church the way you would like folks to view it that you are trying to sell the "house church" concept to. Your equations are actually pretty far off base.

You disagree with idea that the current church doesnt look like the way that the chart pictured it.

[Scott Hutchinson]

That is a interesting chart, where can one obtain info like this? You know this is something I'd like to study as I'm not very knowledgeable in this area.

[Thumper]

If you think that 95% of my church is passive you have obviously never been around our kind of worship service.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Thumper

If you think that 95% of my church is passive you have obviously never been around our kind of worship service.

I believe that we are not talking about particpating in Worship during a service, but actually doing the work of Jesus outside the four walls of the church in a matter all together different.

How many of your members participate in a I Cor. 14:26 type of service.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

What percentage do you see as "willing" to be used in ministry in the traditional church model?

It is not far from 10% usually.

I know of a church that had near 2000 in attendance last week. They did have 200 involved in outreach through the week.

Seems 200 divided by 2000 is on target to Keith's illustration.

It seems you are limiting involvement to outreach only. I do believe in most churches that the percentage of folks "involved" in the church exceeds 10%.

This whole thing will be somewhat ambiguous because it will be near impossible to single out every factor and come to a reasonbale singular conclusion on each oissue.

I do think we would all agree that the church must work harder to involve more of the body in the ministry of/to the body.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

You disagree with idea that the current church doesnt look like the way that the chart pictured it.

No, I do not think it looks like the way you indicated on the chart. Are there some similarities? Yes.