Is Obesity a Sin?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

And where I see this as gaining an out of control momentum is when children are allowed to consume enough food, creating a determinate to their future. Not only for them, but their children.

I see this as unfair and irresponsible. As Parents, we can make or break our kids in this area. If we allow them to become so big that they become diabetics, or have high blood pressure in their teen years, I don't see this as godly or humane.

I completely agree.

I get a little weary when people consider the honest truth an attack.

People only feel attacked when their standing with God is called into question because they're overweight. When it is assumed they are sinning because they're overweight. Some are, some aren't. Many overweight people are trying to lose weight.

That's why we keep pointing out that God was specific about what the actual sin is. Stuffing ourselves. Currently being obese might be sin, it might not. And some gluttons are not currently overweight. It will probably catch up with them eventually, but it might take awhile. Gluttony is the sin.

I think most everyone is aware of the dangers of being overweight, and yes, many people need to take that much more seriously than they do.

Everyone needs to take care of their health. I have a very slim friend who lives on Pepsi and Snickers. That's just as unhealthy as being overweight.

NotforSale, I do appreciate your passion for the subject!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

People only feel attacked when their standing with God is called into question because they're overweight. When it is assumed they are sinning because they're overweight. Some are, some aren't. Many overweight people are trying to lose weight.

That's why we keep pointing out that God was specific about what the actual sin is. Stuffing ourselves. Currently being obese might be sin, it might not. And some gluttons are not currently overweight. It will probably catch up with them eventually, but it might take awhile. Gluttony is the sin.

I think most everyone is aware of the dangers of being overweight, and yes, many people need to take that much more seriously than they do.

Everyone needs to take care of their health. I have a very slim friend who lives on Pepsi and Snickers. That's just as unhealthy as being overweight.

NotforSale, I do appreciate your passion for the subject!

It's funny you should mention about your friend who eats Snickers and Pepsi. We have a woman in our church who is currently ill with horrible stomach problems. She in not overweight and from a distance appears to be healthy. But, she is addicted to Pepsi. My wife has mentioned to her to consider the soda as the problem, but she goes on guzzelling this poison. She has been to the doctor on numerous occasions, recently had her spleen removed, and has a blood disorder.

She's been told to watch her diet by her doctor, and us, but the prayer line is about as far as it goes.

Thanks for the compliment about my passion. If you knew me in person, you would see that I do my best to be considerate of the feelings of other people. I don't always win the battle and have to pray through.

I guess I try to deal with fellow man like I dealt with my children in raising them. Try to guide them away from harm, rooting for them when they succeed, and praying for them when they don't. Over the years I've had many good friends give me advice that was worth more than money, and saved me loads of heartache. Good friends are priceless!

I'll be 50 this year, and without the help of others I would've made some very bad decisions in life.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Thanks for the compliment about my passion. If you knew me in person, you would see that I do my best to be considerate of the feelings of other people. I don't always win the battle and have to pray through.

I think you've always been considerate in these threads, too.

[DebraBunnyLuv]

Hey just jumping in here. I just joined AFF.

God has really been dealing w/me about food and nutrition for the last few months. The picture that is emerging is not so much a case of individuals being gluttonous but rather a nation trapped in an agricultural-industrial system that is inherently unhealthy and disease promoting.

Obesity has NOT been widespread throughout history. It's a recent phenomenon linked to a 'standard American diet' based on cheap, highly processed foods and heavy on meat and animal products. All of which is based on a system of massive government subsidies of corn, soy, wheat, etc. created during the Nixon Administration.

Massive amounts of these crops are grown and either fed to factory farmed animals (who are engineered to eat grass and get sick on the grain, necessitating tons of antibiotics) or run through complex chemical processes which create a variety of artificial additives like high fructose corn syrup. This stuff forms a cheap base for junk and processed food.

God never intended the human body to to thrive on ho ho's, big macs, coca cola, cheetos, wonder bread and Little Debbie's, MSG, chemicals you can't pronounce, genetically modified soybeans that can tolerate Monsanto Roundup poison (blah blah blah).

Anyway I could go on forever but Michael Pollan's book An Omnivore's Dilemma does a pretty good job of spelling it out. I've also heard that the documentary "Food, Inc" is a good intro. If God didn't make it, don't eat it.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by DebraBunnyLuv

Hey just jumping in here. I just joined AFF.

God has really been dealing w/me about food and nutrition for the last few months. The picture that is emerging is not so much a case of individuals being gluttonous but rather a nation trapped in an agricultural-industrial system that is inherently unhealthy and disease promoting.

Obesity has NOT been widespread throughout history. It's a recent phenomenon linked to a 'standard American diet' based on cheap, highly processed foods and heavy on meat and animal products. All of which is based on a system of massive government subsidies of corn, soy, wheat, etc. created during the Nixon Administration.

Massive amounts of these crops are grown and either fed to factory farmed animals (who are engineered to eat grass and get sick on the grain, necessitating tons of antibiotics) or run through complex chemical processes which create a variety of artificial additives like high fructose corn syrup. This stuff forms a cheap base for junk and processed food.

God never intended the human body to to thrive on ho ho's, big macs, coca cola, cheetos, wonder bread and Little Debbie's, MSG, chemicals you can't pronounce, genetically modified soybeans that can tolerate Monsanto Roundup poison (blah blah blah).

Anyway I could go on forever but Michael Pollan's book An Omnivore's Dilemma does a pretty good job of spelling it out. I've also heard that the documentary "Food, Inc" is a good intro. If God didn't make it, don't eat it.

Good post if more people truly ate right we could get rid of alot of disese like diebetis, heart failer, colesteral just to name a few. Another good book is Fit for life, can't think of the author at the moment but he has some good info.

[Eniratak]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Good post if more people truly ate right we could get rid of alot of disese like diebetis, heart failer, colesteral just to name a few. Another good book is Fit for life, can't think of the author at the moment but he has some good info.

Not exactly true. Diabetes isn't caused by being obese. There are plenty of people who have diabetes that are not fat and live healthy lives despite the fact that they have a disease.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Eniratak

Not exactly true. Diabetes isn't caused by being obese. There are plenty of people who have diabetes that are not fat and live healthy lives despite the fact that they have a disease.

Not exactly true either. Certain types ARE known to be associated with a persons overall size, such as Type B.

[Eniratak]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Not exactly true either. Certain types ARE known to be associated with a persons overall size, such as Type B.

Well yes, Type 2.
But it seems like diabetes is always associated with being obese and that isn't always the case.
So even if you 'eat right and are healthy', it won't get rid of diabetes completely.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by DebraBunnyLuv

Hey just jumping in here. I just joined AFF.

God has really been dealing w/me about food and nutrition for the last few months. The picture that is emerging is not so much a case of individuals being gluttonous but rather a nation trapped in an agricultural-industrial system that is inherently unhealthy and disease promoting.

Obesity has NOT been widespread throughout history. It's a recent phenomenon linked to a 'standard American diet' based on cheap, highly processed foods and heavy on meat and animal products. All of which is based on a system of massive government subsidies of corn, soy, wheat, etc. created during the Nixon Administration.

Massive amounts of these crops are grown and either fed to factory farmed animals (who are engineered to eat grass and get sick on the grain, necessitating tons of antibiotics) or run through complex chemical processes which create a variety of artificial additives like high fructose corn syrup. This stuff forms a cheap base for junk and processed food.

God never intended the human body to to thrive on ho ho's, big macs, coca cola, cheetos, wonder bread and Little Debbie's, MSG, chemicals you can't pronounce, genetically modified soybeans that can tolerate Monsanto Roundup poison (blah blah blah).

Anyway I could go on forever but Michael Pollan's book An Omnivore's Dilemma does a pretty good job of spelling it out. I've also heard that the documentary "Food, Inc" is a good intro. If God didn't make it, don't eat it.

IMO, your post is absolutely on target and should be a part of any honest obesity discussion, chronic sickness and imno-deficiencies that plague our population.

Some folks have been too pre-occupied with P&G corporate ICONic pomp and likely missed Satan's coprrupting legions at Monsanto. AS A COUNTRY we have got to get labelling on any food product that contains Genetically damaged products...this will at least give the ambulance-chasing tort lawyers a motive to wear-out the profiteers of such practices.

FOOD, INC will provide you many compelling perspectives....but nothing shocked me more than the understanding that VIRUSes are the nano-infantry of bioengineering distortions.

Wormwood is a gathering storm.

[ApostleGRJohn]

No! God wants us to be pleantiful! If it is a sin, I hope the Lord convicts me soon cause I would be the biggest sinner! Literally!