Is Obesity a Sin?

[jfrog]

... all I can say is wow. Please tell me yall aren't the kinda people who only eat and only advocate eating genetically unaltered food that had no chemicals of any kind sprayed on it.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by jfrog

... all I can say is wow. Please tell me yall aren't the kinda people who only eat and only advocate eating genetically unaltered food that had no chemicals of any kind sprayed on it.

Good point. No way to avoid the "spray" or the "process". We don't live on that kind of Planet, at least for now.

Good choices may include foods that aren't perfect, but at least better than some of the junk dished out from Ronald or the King.

Been so busy lately, and hardly have had a chance to get on here to see what drama has overtaken AFF...

Hope you're all behaving!!!

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by jfrog

... all I can say is wow. Please tell me yall aren't the kinda people who only eat and only advocate eating genetically unaltered food that had no chemicals of any kind sprayed on it.

frog,
how you made the jump to connecting genetically altered DNA strands with pesticide-free fruit and vegetables is baffling to this reader.

Genetics is the core design of a thing. IMO, if using a virus is the only means to accomplish this required deception (on a cellular subsystem level), the process is not a GOD-plan.

So PLEASE let me say, I AM among the people who you would wag you head at hearing about, folks who, with informed labelling, would reject genetically altered food products.

I certainly am not out to stop your complete enjoyment of all the HFCS that your pancreas can sucrete insulin for....and if your preference is genetically modified grain products, it would seem the USA grocery isle may well become your oyster.

[RandyWayne]

Since people love to look at sin in a binary way -it IS sin or it ISN'T sin, I am curious as to what point gluttony/weight becomes sin? If two larger men come to the pearly gates at the same time and and one is 214 lbs and the other 215, will the slightly larger of the two find that the 1 lb difference is the kicker and a heaven or hell difference separating one to eternal bliss and the other to eternal torment?

This is why I find more and more evidence to support my personal philosophy regarding sin: There is perfect and then there is everything less than.

[Godsdrummer]

Just to difine what I think, Obesity will not send you to hell. Obesity is not pleasing to God but then so are ahundred other things that we do. But I want to say this many legalistic christians put more infisis on one thing and not other things. The same scripture they use to condime smoking is the same verse that will condeme them for over eating and not getting any exersize.

Look at it from a worlds stand point "I am a christian I don't cut my hair, or put on makeup, or wear jewlery, or pants." Yet we stand there over weight, a gossip and judge of the world so to speak. and then we want to world to become a christian like us? LOL No wonder we have to indoctrinate them in order to get them to become christians. When Jesus just said to preach the good news.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Since people love to look at sin in a binary way -it IS sin or it ISN'T sin, I am curious as to what point gluttony/weight becomes sin? If two larger men come to the pearly gates at the same time and and one is 214 lbs and the other 215, will the slightly larger of the two find that the 1 lb difference is the kicker and a heaven or hell difference separating one to eternal bliss and the other to eternal torment?

This is why I find more and more evidence to support my personal philosophy regarding sin: There is perfect and then there is everything less than.

I guess I'm approaching this issue as Godsdrummer points out. We've told people, "Don't smoke! It destroys the temple of God (our body)", yet we allow or don't say much about the health ramifications of being overweight.

To me, this is not consistent and balanced teaching and allows one sin, but not the other.

We must ask ourselves this tough question; Will a tabacoo user be saved? Years ago, my indoctrinated mind would have said, "No!" Today, I don't see this as a Heaven or Hell issue, as God's mercy and forgiveness is far deeper than we could ever comprehend.

Remember, if we say obesity is NOT a sin (whatever that level is in food consumption/1 cigarette or 20 a day), we must learn to justify other human failure and stop our dogmatic smokescreen of being Holy.

I personally feel being fat or smoking is not in the equation of being good enough for God. I also feel, that if one wants to improve their quality of life and the lives of their children, we must address this issue with an honest heart without hurling stones at our obese friends.

The tabacco issue in this Country has been a great example of how to help people make the right choices regarding nicotine use. Education about the dangers of something can wake a Nation.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I guess I'm approaching this issue as Godsdrummer points out. We've told people, "Don't smoke! It destroys the temple of God (our body)", yet we allow or don't say much about the health ramifications of being overweight.

To me, this is not consistent and balanced teaching and allows one sin, but not the other.

We must ask ourselves this tough question; Will a tabacoo user be saved? Years ago, my indoctrinated mind would have said, "No!" Today, I don't see this as a Heaven or Hell issue, as God's mercy and forgiveness is far deeper than we could ever comprehend.

Remember, if we say obesity is NOT a sin (whatever that level is in food consumption/1 cigarette or 20 a day), we must learn to justify other human failure and stop our dogmatic smokescreen of being Holy.

I personally feel being fat or smoking is not in the equation of being good enough for God. I also feel, that if one wants to improve their quality of life and the lives of their children, we must address this issue with an honest heart without hurling stones at our obese friends.

The tabacco issue in this Country has been a great example of how to help people make the right choices regarding nicotine use. Education about the dangers of something can wake a Nation.

I agree with your post. The amount of cherry picking that goes on as to what is considered sin and what isn't is obvious to just about anyone. Using the same principle that those use to consider tobacco sinful, the can of Coke (NOT even diet!) sitting on the desk next to me SHOULD be almost as bad -and thus, sinful.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I agree with your post. The amount of cherry picking that goes on as to what is considered sin and what isn't is obvious to just about anyone. Using the same principle that those use to consider tobacco sinful, the can of Coke (NOT even diet!) sitting on the desk next to me SHOULD be almost as bad -and thus, sinful.

Therefore none of it is sin!!! None of it will keep you out of Heaven. You can't have it both ways. Either it is sin and you are lost for ignoring it, because you did not think it important enough. Or it is not sin, but something we need to address to be pleasing to God. This is where I think many legalistic religions get much of their legalism. In one society something was found to identify christians with non christians. And it was preached against as sin. Take the facial hair issue from the 60's and 70's this was preached because of the hippie movement. Now many continue to preach it even though it does not pertain to us today. I beleive that is what Paul is saying about women cutting their hair,or wearing a veil, it is an example of this.

We don't want to identify with customs that would bring shame on the kingdom of God. But this does not make it heaven or hell issues.