Ultra Conservatives 'Go Hollywood'

[The Lemon]

I think the biggest issue is that a church becomes a "business" in the first place. The great American Church has created a culture of business to the church that I hardly believe existed in either Jesus' time or the Apostles time. Being blessed is not the issue, it is the likness to the world and the excess that is the issue.

I would say it is nigh to impossible to be humble and live in a million dollar house with a ferrari. Ministers are suppose to be servants to the people of God, not elitist folks in some high position. "Let no man think higher of himself than he ought"

I don't believe Gods children should lack or be poor, but a balance is needed. Large churches = large bills, and the concept of how to fund a church and have gigantic buildings seems to be missing from my Bible...can someone help me find that one?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

I think the biggest issue is that a church becomes a "business" in the first place. The great American Church has created a culture of business to the church that I hardly believe existed in either Jesus' time or the Apostles time. Being blessed is not the issue, it is the likness to the world and the excess that is the issue.

I would say it is nigh to impossible to be humble and live in a million dollar house with a ferrari. Ministers are suppose to be servants to the people of God, not elitist folks in some high position. "Let no man think higher of himself than he ought"

I don't believe Gods children should lack or be poor, but a balance is needed. Large churches = large bills, and the concept of how to fund a church and have gigantic buildings seems to be missing from my Bible...can someone help me find that one?

Good points, if it's business then you get to pass it on to your son or son in law. you know family runned bus..... I mean church.

[Terry G.]

Lemon, I almost gave up hope. I am so glad you see that. Exactly what I am so concerned about. How would my critics feel if LB or one of the other WPF leaders were their personal friend? Watching their soul get tangled in the trap of the world's lair? Not many Apostolics know how I weep and agonize and travail for LB. I don't ask anything from God for the privilege, only God abundantly deliver and minister to him an everlasting open door entrance into Heaven. My Flock highly esteem me. I have no rebellious Saints in my Church. I Never Ever have to remind them I am an Elder. My Saints and God know me. I do believe I have been misjudged on this forum. And I fear lest any be tempted from obeying the Truth. May God have Mercy. Lemon is right on time! God Bless!

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Terry G.

Lemon, I almost gave up hope. I am so glad you see that. Exactly what I am so concerned about. How would my critics feel if LB or one of the other WPF leaders were their personal friend? Watching their soul get tangled in the trap of the world's lair? Not many Apostolics know how I weep and agonize and travail for LB. I don't ask anything from God for the privilege, only God abundantly deliver and minister to him an everlasting open door entrance into Heaven. My Flock highly esteem me. I have no rebellious Saints in my Church. I Never Ever have to remind them I am an Elder. My Saints and God know me. I do believe I have been misjudged on this forum. And I fear lest any be tempted from obeying the Truth. May God have Mercy. Lemon is right on time! God Bless!

Terry, I do not know you but I have concern whenever I read statements like these. First they are NOT YOUR flock. They are God's children. And then there are reasons to remind people that you are an elder? You are a servent of God and as such a servent to God's children. To feel a need to REMIND someone that you are an elder says you may have an ego problem or a control problem. (and yes I know what you said and I am not saying you have this issue just responding as I see it)
I love my pastor and back him 100%. Not because he is better than me or more spiritual than me but because he teaches truth and is a humble servent of God to those that are entrusted in his care.
Like I said, I do not know you and I am not assuming you really feel the way I perceive your comments, but I do feel concern whenever I hear or see such comments from someone entrusted with souls of others.

I simply find a minister of God 'reminding' others that they are the 'elder' or feeling the need to remind them as egotistical and/or controlling. Neither of those are godly or holy.

again I am not saying you are just responding to your comments.

[Terry G.]

Jax, I just don't want to stumble anyone on their way to Heaven. Not an ego trip. Elders do watch over their flock...we continually wait upon this very thing...must give account to God for ewes in our charge...that we may do it with joy and not grief to be profitable for you. No ego problem. Understand many here haven't a clue who who is. My Saints eat in my home regularly. How many Pastors do that? Hope this soothes your fears. And I respect you. I dont try to control that is witchcraft. I try my best to lead by example. God uses men who are of a very sincere disposition. I am in it for Souls, nothing more, nothing less. My prayer is God raise up more genuine men of God. Good nite.