Well I'm not sure because the Holy Ghost moves in areas where sometimes we are not willing to go ourselves. We in pentecost are quick to judge a person by labels not knowing the lives of the individuals. I'm certainly not here trying to stir the dust. I'm just trying to understand.
Well I'm not sure because the Holy Ghost moves in areas where sometimes we are not willing to go ourselves. We in pentecost are quick to judge a person by labels not knowing the lives of the individuals. I'm certainly not here trying to stir the dust. I'm just trying to understand.
Practicing homosexuality is not a "label" used to judge anyone. It is an act, a sin, and one that is specifically discussed in the Bible. The act has already been judged in clear terms.
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Practicing homosexuality is not a "label" used to judge anyone. It is an act, a sin, and one that is specifically discussed in the Bible. The act has already been judged in clear terms.
I don't believe that we should not reach out to all people, but I am a firm believer that we cannot afford for a minute to be unwilling to teach Bible.
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Well I'm not sure because the Holy Ghost moves in areas where sometimes we are not willing to go ourselves. We in pentecost are quick to judge a person by labels not knowing the lives of the individuals. I'm certainly not here trying to stir the dust. I'm just trying to understand.
I would be the first to agree that we don't always know the lives of other people. I would completely agree that while I think that MissBratt (for instance) lives a life that is certainly a fine example of what a Christian should be, there still could be parts of her life that I am totally unaware of. Not saying that there is, just using her as an example. I hope that's ok, MissBratt.
The problem with applying that to THIS situation tho is that if a person has lined themselves up with the gay community or gay apostolic church, and said that they are a part of it because that is their lifestyle, then there is not much left to speculation. In that case, whatever else is right in their life, there is still this one very BIG thing that is clearly against Biblical teaching.
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I would be the first to agree that we don't always know the lives of other people. I would completely agree that while I think that MissBratt (for instance) lives a life that is certainly a fine example of what a Christian should be, there still could be parts of her life that I am totally unaware of. Not saying that there is, just using her as an example. I hope that's ok, MissBratt.
The problem with applying that to THIS situation tho is that if a person has lined themselves up with the gay community or gay apostolic church, and said that they are a part of it because that is their lifestyle, then there is not much left to speculation. In that case, whatever else is right in their life, there is still this one very BIG thing that is clearly against Biblical teaching.
That's fine--I understand your point. My point is not that we all struggle from time to time with different things--I'm sure many do--I know I have my own struggles.
However, we're talking about people who are NOT struggling against or denouncing their sin, but accepting it, justifying it by twisting scripture, and passing on that bondage to others.
Again, the scripture I just quoted--
Galatians 6:10"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. "
Are we supposed to preach what men what to hear? If we only tell people what they want to hear, we aren't servants of Christ, but of men.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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That's fine--I understand your point. My point is not that we all struggle from time to time with different things--I'm sure many do--I know I have my own struggles.
However, we're talking about people who are NOT struggling against or denouncing their sins, but accepting it, justifying it by twisting scripture, and passing on that bondage to others.
Again, the scripture I just quoted--
Galatians 6:10"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. "
Are we supposed to preach what men what to hear? If we only tell people what they want to hear, we aren't servants of Christ, but of men.
I would only add turning their sin into a point of fellowship
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I would only add turning their sin into a point of fellowship
You're exactly right. To me, this would be like having churches based on the premise "Apostolic Liars", or "Stealing Saints." How about "Apostolic Porn Addicts Church", or "Apostolic Swingers?" "Apostolic Church of We Believe It's Okay To Murder Your Neighbors." ????????
It's ludicrous.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
You're exactly right. To me, this would be like having churches based on the premise "Apostolic Liars", or "Stealing Saints." How about "Apostolic Porn Addicts Church", or "Apostolic Swingers?" "Apostolic Church of We Believe It's Okay To Murder Your Neighbors." ????????
It's ludicrous.
It is obvious to me! That is way I see it.
But I get the feeling that the gay agenda just will not stop. It just not satisfied with the world accepting them the church has to too.
Every time I see one of these threads start, I always get the feeling it's the Gay Agenda being forced upon the Church no matter how many times we say homosexuality is a sin-- the topic always rolls round again.
That's fine--I understand your point. My point is not that we all struggle from time to time with different things--I'm sure many do--I know I have my own struggles.
However, we're talking about people who are NOT struggling against or denouncing their sin, but accepting it, justifying it by twisting scripture, and passing on that bondage to others.
Again, the scripture I just quoted--
Galatians 6:10"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. "
Are we supposed to preach what men what to hear? If we only tell people what they want to hear, we aren't servants of Christ, but of men.
Glad to see ya whetin that sword young lady, BTW homosexuals hate God and are havin preachers prosecuted for preachin against their practice, only they want to be accepted by churchfolk. I'm not an open door's, open heart , open mind believer when it comes to that spirit, but I'll be glad to help cast that devil out of the person, know what I mean? I hate the devil and his evil works. Those that sin, rebuke before all. Aint it in there, huh?
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Glad to see ya whetin that sword young lady, BTW homosexuals hate God and are havin preachers prosecuted for preachin against their practice, only they want to be accepted by churchfolk. I'm not an open door's, open heart , open mind believer when it comes to that spirit, but I'll be glad to help cast that devil out of the person, know what I mean? I hate the devil and his evil works. Those that sin, rebuke before all. Aint it in there, huh?
This post makes me think of that thread "Pee on me and tell me it's rain".
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