This is war, or did you forget. If we do bring any of them over here let's put them in your's and Mike's neighborhood, you both defend them so well.
List to me and listen closely.....
If an individual is indeed proven guilty of a terrorist act or of being a military enemy I support their detainment. However...if they haven't been proven guilty of anything through due process it is an affront to the very liberties our founders believed in, God given human rights, and all that is holy to detain them. It's an issue of liberty and human rights. Maybe we should detain you illegally and see if you think differently six years from now. You either love liberty for all men...or you're a tyrant. Take your pick.
If an individual is indeed proven guilty of a terrorist act or of being a military enemy I support their detainment. However...if they haven't been proven guilty of anything through due process it is an affront to the very liberties our founders believed in, God given human rights, and all that is holy to detain them. It's an issue of liberty and human rights. Maybe we should detain you illegally and see if you think differently six years from now. You either love liberty for all men...or you're a tyrant. Take your pick.
Were you in the military? I was.
I know some men I am glad are not at liberty. And I am not a tyrant.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
I know some men I am glad are not at liberty. And I am not a tyrant.
We all know some men that deserve to be incarcerated. However, this is America...not your fascist little dictatorship. Here's the deal...we operate according to principles that uphold and protect human rights. Our founders saw illegal arrest, detainment, searches, seizures, and quartering an affront to God given liberties. The majority of those detain haven't had their day in court...they've not had due process to prove their guilt. Frankly but detaining them illegally your regime ensured that those deserving detainment be set free...because after all this time we can't prove anything. Thank you oh great right winger.
If an individual is indeed proven guilty of a terrorist act or of being a military enemy I support their detainment. However...if they haven't been proven guilty of anything through due process it is an affront to the very liberties our founders believed in, God given human rights, and all that is holy to detain them. It's an issue of liberty and human rights. Maybe we should detain you illegally and see if you think differently six years from now. You either love liberty for all men...or you're a tyrant. Take your pick.
Were you in the military? I was.
Exactly.
Some of you guys like Soun and RevDw, believe that it's our right to imprison people without any chance of ever giving them a trial. I find that in opposition to everything this country has fought and stood for. You certainly don't stand on any legal or ethical high ground.
Why in the world are we afraid to bring them to trial and either prove their guilt or turn them loose? I'm not advocating turning them lose, I'm advocating bringing them to justice.
God spare us the day, where the USA stands for imprisoning people without any intent of ever giving them a fair trial and then the proper consequences either way.
It's this type of NeoCon Republican bull that got the Republican party thrashed in November.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
Some of you guys like Soun and RevDw, believe that it's our right to imprison people without any chance of ever giving them a trial. I find that in opposition to everything this country has fought and stood for. You certainly don't stand on any legal or ethical high ground.
Why in the world are we afraid to bring them to trial and either prove their guilt or turn them loose? I'm not advocating turning them lose, I'm advocating bringing them to justice.
God spare us the day, where the USA stands for imprisoning people without any intent of ever giving them a fair trial and then the proper consequences either way.
It's this type of NeoCon Republican bull that got the Republican party thrashed in November.
Where have I ever said that? I too believe that should be tried by military tribunal, according to the Geneva convention. And those where finally going forward but where stopped by President Obama.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Where have I ever said that? I too believe that should be tried by military tribunal, according to the Geneva convention. And those where finally going forward but where stopped by President Obama.
Yes...Bush finally began moving that direction because it was making the Party look bad...he didn't give a rip about America or our principles.
Secondly, most of these are not soldiers. The Geneva Convention authorizes military tribunals for prisoners of war if they are legitimate military soldiers. Most of these are "citizens" of Iraq or Afghanistan. Most were not official military forces of any nation under the Geneva Convention. Therefore they must be treated as civilian suspects....that requires legal due process in a court of law...not a military tribunal. For example, if we were in Vietnam and took 10 Vietnamese Regulars prisoner, we could try them by military tribunal. If we took civilian Mamma San or any other civilian prisoner we'd have to hand them over to the legal civilian authorities and bring formal charges against them.
By taking and holding these individuals illegally without amassing evidence...we weakened, if not devastated, the chances of actually being able to detain the real bad guys.
This whole thing is another testimony to the Bush Administration's incompetence.
Where have I ever said that? I too believe that should be tried by military tribunal, according to the Geneva convention. And those where finally going forward but where stopped by President Obama.
Nothing new here. It is hard to go to yemen annd Iraq and gather witnesses and evidence for a fair trial. Obviously the exposure of informants in the caourt case is even more peroblematic. The free the thugs bunch is not a bunch of thinkers.
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