Apostolic girls and sports

[Sister Alvear]

ALL women please go back to the caves...

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

Your lack of teaching your daughter the truth about mens and womens clothing will help send her to hell. Also, If your pastor is not teaching this, he is sending his flock to hell.

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

What a joke. You have got to be kidding. The bible called it an abomination and you all it a conviction. Read your bible and you might find more truth to explain away as just optional.

NITW, I surely hope you are kidding you know pulling our legs. If you are not then you are the most confused of the most confused. I have read many things in the Bible and NOTHING about it being an abomination. If you are a pastor God help your saints. I call 'em your saints cause they aren't God's saints if the follow your logic.

Dress code is nothing equal to Holiness. The 'standard of Holiness' tag is a big joke. Should be known as 'our dress code' or something like 'just one way we ostrisize others'. I have no problem with someones convictions cause to them they are valid and needed. But you nor anyone else can make the correct points on teaching this when there is NO scripture to back it up. Funny how smart people can prove themselves unwise with fe words.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I am not a parent, but I may have a problem letting my daughter play basketball in a team environment.

I am also sure I would not be comfortable with my daughter joining the military-- both are environments where the ladies have to wear something that doesnt look specifically feminine.


I do not have a problem with feminine pants/jeans.
I do have a problem with ladies wearing unisex items like sports, some military and UPS uniforms (etc).

These uniforms ALWAYS look distinctly masculine-- we're just told to think it's not masculine when a lady is in it.


But I'm not a parent yet.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not a parent, but I may have a problem letting my daughter play basketball in a team environment.

Do you object to the uniform? Or the team environment?

I am also sure I would not be comfortable with my daughter joining the military-- both are environments where the ladies have to wear something that doesn't look specifically feminine.

I do not have a problem with feminine pants/jeans.
I do have a problem with ladies wearing unisex items like sports, some military and UPS uniforms (etc).

These uniforms ALWAYS look distinctly masculine-- we're just told to think it's not masculine when a lady is in it.

I'm not sure I agree with you. You're basically saying there aren't any gender neutral items of clothing.

But I'm not a parent yet.

As a mother, I've determined that it is important for both my son and my daughters to be active and healthy. I'm unwilling to deny them those opportunities because of baggy uniforms. LOL!!!! Women don't always have to be in frills and lace in order to be girly. There is a time to be sweaty, ultra-casual, etc. In fact, this past weekend, my oldest daughter had a friend over, and they were playing in the mud! Their Daddy was unhappy with the large mud puddle created in the front yard, but he didn't say a word about them being covered head to toe in brown muck.

A couple of years ago, I went "muddin'" with a friend of mine while in Indiana...we rode a 4-wheeler around her uncle's farm, through a creek, and were also covered in mud from head to toe by the end of the day. (No exaggeration there) We also flipped the 4-wheeler....

As a kid, my Dad took me fishing, taught me to bait my own hook, clean a fish, skin a catfish, and make "stink bait." We went swimming in dirty swimming holes, and I thrashed through the woods several summers, playing cowboys and Indians with my nephews and nieces.

In spite of it all, I grew up to be a woman who embraces femininity, and a new pair of heels can make me very happy indeed. But I don't mind getting my hands dirty when I'm planting flowers, and it doesn't bother me to pick up earth worms or frogs.

Femininity is important--I agree. But not to the extent that girls aren't allowed to be VERY active, to get dirty, or to just plain have fun.

Ultra-frilly or dressy, traditionally feminine clothing does not really allow for most athletic activities--at least, not modestly.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Do you object to the uniform? Or the team environment?

The uniform.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm not sure I agree with you. You're basically saying there aren't any gender neutral items of clothing.

Good point. However, I can't think of any "gender neutral" clothing that does not have an overwhelming sense of masculinity.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

As a mother, I've determined that it is important for both my son and my daughters to be active and healthy. I'm unwilling to deny them those opportunities because of baggy uniforms. LOL!!!! Women don't always have to be in frills and lace in order to be girly. There is a time to be sweaty, ultra-casual, etc. In fact, this past weekend, my oldest daughter had a friend over, and they were playing in the mud! Their Daddy was unhappy with the large mud puddle created in the front yard, but he didn't say a word about them being covered head to toe in brown muck.

A couple of years ago, I went "muddin'" with a friend of mine while in Indiana...we rode a 4-wheeler around her uncle's farm, through a creek, and were also covered in mud from head to toe by the end of the day. (No exaggeration there) We also flipped the 4-wheeler....

As a kid, my Dad took me fishing, taught me to bait my own hook, clean a fish, skin a catfish, and make "stink bait." We went swimming in dirty swimming holes, and I thrashed through the woods several summers, playing cowboys and Indians with my nephews and nieces.

In spite of it all, I grew up to be a woman who embraces femininity, and a new pair of heels can make me very happy indeed. But I don't mind getting my hands dirty when I'm planting flowers, and it doesn't bother me to pick up earth worms or frogs.

Femininity is important--I agree. But not to the extent that girls aren't allowed to be VERY active, to get dirty, or to just plain have fun.

Ultra-frilly or dressy, traditionally feminine clothing does not really allow for most athletic activities--at least, not modestly.

If I were to error, I would error on the side of femininty for my daughters and masculinity for my sons.

My daughters can go "muddin" in a pair of pink Chic or Jordache jeans.

I pause at the idea of my daughters of wearing overwhelmingly masculine looking gym shorts or anything else that appears more masculine than not.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

NITW, I surely hope you are kidding you know pulling our legs. If you are not then you are the most confused of the most confused. I have read many things in the Bible and NOTHING about it being an abomination. If you are a pastor God help your saints. I call 'em your saints cause they aren't God's saints if the follow your logic.

Dress code is nothing equal to Holiness. The 'standard of Holiness' tag is a big joke. Should be known as 'our dress code' or something like 'just one way we ostrisize others'. I have no problem with someones convictions cause to them they are valid and needed. But you nor anyone else can make the correct points on teaching this when there is NO scripture to back it up. Funny how smart people can prove themselves unwise with fe words.

The OT verse on the law does mention abomination: Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

However ... one needs to read the definition of abomination used in that scripture, as there are several different meanings and uses of that word throughout the Bible.

[Jack Shephard]

This is what I was referring to, reading it for what the meaning was. Not stretching it.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by n david

The OT verse on the law does mention abomination: Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

However ... one needs to read the definition of abomination used in that scripture, as there are several different meanings and uses of that word throughout the Bible.

You also have to know that that particular verse wasn't referring to pants, since both sexes wore robes.