Hell and suicide? - Page 3

crakjak · #1 05-04-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

So you don't believe there is a hell?

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

tbpew · #2 05-05-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

CJ,
(standard disclaimer....I have not read all the posts in this thread)

Have you considered and determined that annilation is not part of the potential outcomes extending from every individual's free-will choices made throughout this life?

I find no available means to reconcile your position (quoted above) with:
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
and
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

In my understanding, I do not see renewal or restoration emerging from that which has been destroyed.

thoughts?

Esther · #3 05-05-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

Thanks for responding, I guess my next question would be what does everlasting mean to you?

shawndell · #4 05-06-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

Some one once taught that eternity is like a steel ball the size of the earth,and every thousand years a sparrow come to brush his wing on this steel ball.By the time that this steel ball wares down to nothing that is not even the beginning of eternity.

BrotherEastman · #5 05-11-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

So you don't believe there is a hell?

I do not yet know how he answered as I am reading through this interesting thread; however, I believe that Crak believes in hell and a punishment after death (just not an eternal never ending kind of punishment).

LUKE2447 · #6 05-04-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Absolutely Amazing Grace and Amazing LOVE!!!

Lose your lens of the god of torture, torment and lack of ability to save his creation, and you will see that it pervasive thru out scripture.

He came to seek and to save the lost, not to torment and torture because of Satan's ability to deceive his own creation.

Oh, the all powerful "freewill" of men the greatest power in all the universe, second only to the power of Satan to destroy. Surely you can do better than that!

God is awesome to save, Jesus said it is finished, man says I must help God save His creation. The elect or saved in this life, all the rest will be saved, each in his own time.

God is Awesome, and every one of His creation is precious in His sight. What great and wonderful "Good News".

Sorry Crak, but you can waste your theological points somewhere else. I debated with much in the past and you won't change my mind and it has nothing to do with losing lenses! I can tell you one thing it isn't because I did not objectively and openly think about it as possible. In the end it just simply lacks support. do I wish it was true. Sure I don't want anyone to go to hell or whatever. In the end I cannot justify it on the Word. Anything less than that to me is emotional pleading and I won't teach such to those I should come in contact with.

crakjak · #7 05-04-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Sorry Crak, but you can waste your theological points somewhere else. I debated with much in the past and you won't change my mind and it has nothing to do with losing lenses! I can tell you one thing it isn't because I did not objectively and openly think about it as possible. In the end it just simply lacks support. do I wish it was true. Sure I don't want anyone to go to hell or whatever. In the end I cannot justify it on the Word. Anything less than that to me is emotional pleading and I won't teach such to those I should come in contact with.

If the Holy Spirit does not cause it to resonate in your spirit, I understand your position, been there. Blessings to you.

Dedicated Mind · #8 05-04-2009, 02:06 PM

I agree with crakjak, all will be saved in due course.

crakjak · #9 05-04-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I agree with crakjak, all will be saved in due course.

AMEN!

Shawn · #10 05-04-2009, 09:30 PM

fwiw. I think they're will be so much in the next life that is beyond us at this time. So much beyond our understanding at the moment. but I'm believing All means All. And World means world. not .05%

There are certain things I still believe in as many on this board do and wouldn't begin to tell anyone any different. I think everyone should be baptized in Jesus name. And I definately believe in Oneness even though it's a bit much to wrap my mind around at times. But I'm not going to pretend to have everything 'figured out'. I'll leave it up to Jesus. Alone.