The Removal of Romans 14:22

Pressing-On · #1 07-11-2009, 02:04 PM

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Romans 15 gives the answer. There are some who are weak in the faith, and that the strong, who have strong faith and believe in more liberty, should bear the infirmities of the weak and stop doing what they feel they are at liberty to do. Jesus suffered for us when He did not have to.

Romans 15:1-7 KJV We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. (2) Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. (3) For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. (4) For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. (5) Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: (6) That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (7) Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.

We are to consider those who are weak as easily offended. We cannot hurt them, or else we are hurting Christ. Being easily offended is a sign of immaturity and weak faith, but it is not a sign they do not love God. That is why we are told to have our liberty to ourselves and not around them..

Do you think that a person could become weak in faith at intervals in their Christian walk due to very trying circumstances that surround a person?

mfblume · #2 07-11-2009, 02:06 PM

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Do you think that a person could become weak in faith at intervals in their Christian walk due to very trying circumstances that surround a person?

Definitely.

Pressing-On · #3 07-11-2009, 02:17 PM

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Definitely.

How do you reconcile Romans 14:22 with I Cor 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

We are saying a person is weak or offended and therefore can fall away from salvation. How does that work with I Cor 10:13?

mfblume · #4 07-11-2009, 02:19 PM

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How do you reconcile Romans 14:22 with I Cor 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

We are saying a person is weak or offended and therefore can fall away from salvation. How does that work with I Cor 10:13?

Such a weak person is not full of faith enough to believe God for such a promise. And that is associated with the same reason their faith is weak in being easily offended.

Pressing-On · #5 07-11-2009, 02:21 PM

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Such a weak person is not full of faith enough to believe God for such a promise. And that is associated with the same reason their faith is weak in being easily offended.

I agree and so he says, "You have an advocate with the Father..." always reaching for us. That is love!

mfblume · #6 07-11-2009, 02:22 PM

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I agree and so he says, "You have an advocate with the Father..." always reaching for us. That is love!

Amen.

(But some have no faith in that either. lol)

Pressing-On · #7 07-11-2009, 02:27 PM

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Amen.

(But some have no faith in that either. lol)

True. So much involved in that - could simply be a person's upbringing that skewed their view even in the church and affected them in whatever circumstance came up.

It's, sort of, like a preacher I heard telling how he loved to sing, but his family always told him he couldn't sing very well. Well, guess what? He has a good voice, but doesn't use it because he never could overcome being self-conscious about it. Another person may overcome it and go on to sing. Not everyone is the same.

mfblume · #8 07-11-2009, 02:36 PM

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I'm sorry but I am having a hard time seeing where you are coming from.

Whom are you speaking to?

giftofgrace · #9 07-11-2009, 02:36 PM

I'm sorry but I am having a hard time seeing where you are coming from.

Take alcohol for example. How are we to judge what is in moderation and what isnt? Isnt our heart corruptible? I don't see how it could be acceptable for us as Christ followers to partake in something so worldy, something that causes such havoc and wreckage. I just can't see it fitting for a born-again Christian to regularly partake in. What's the purpose of alcohol, to relax? To unwind? Does it not become an idol? And I suppose smoking is alright in moderatioin? I see it as a self-soothing substitute. I don't know what good can come out of it, so I suppose the one who feels it alright to drink or smoke as a Christian should deeply examine themselves of the motive behind their desire. I believe that thel Lord is our source and supply.. Anyways, that's the way I feel.. I hope someone can see where I am coming from. God bless

So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 1 Cor 10:31

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Ephesians 5:18

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Cor 3:17

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6:19

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Gal 5:9

*AQuietPlace* · #10 07-11-2009, 02:41 PM

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Take alcohol for example. How are we to judge what is in moderation and what isnt?

That one is easy.

The Bible addresses it. It says not to become drunken. So, if you're drinking enough to become drunk, you're drinking too much. The Bible addresses moderation with alcohol in several places.

The Bible does say wine will gladden the hearts of men.

14He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

I don't drink alcohol, and I think it's something that should be handled very carefully.... but the Bible definitely does not forbid it.

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