The Removal of Romans 14:22 - Page 5

Pressing-On · #41 07-11-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Probably a sincere effort to deal with a problem with some members who cannot restrain themselves. But it is a mistake of acting like God to people who do not want to heed God. We cannot make people do things they refuse to do for the Lord.

If people do not want to do something, it is no use making them do so, for it neither blesses them nor God. It's still in their hearts.

In this particular instance, it was an alternative to actually dealing with certain unrestrained people individually, and was so much easier to bully the issue to everyone from the pulpit. Anyway, it's no church I belong to nor ever did belong to. But it's sad to hear it is happening in some places.

I simply believe it was a part of evolving and the fear of losing decency when America was going another way. That was their best solution, but are finding that it doesn't work as well as it may have in the 50's and subsequent years.

I see changes and the evolving continuing. Even though it's a slow process, it is happening. I see leaders coming into place that have had circumstances in their lives open their eyes to more compassion, understanding and a genuine reach for the things that matter more to God than a system.

mfblume · #42 07-11-2009, 02:34 PM

Right, Bro H. Preachers in some circles are pressured by their peers to conform and be a certain way. They would never do such things otherwise.

Pressing-On · #43 07-11-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. We have to be very careful with everyone as individuals.

Amen!

mfblume · #44 07-11-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by giftofgrace

I'm sorry but I am having a hard time seeing where you are coming from.

Whom are you speaking to?

giftofgrace · #45 07-11-2009, 02:36 PM

I'm sorry but I am having a hard time seeing where you are coming from.

Take alcohol for example. How are we to judge what is in moderation and what isnt? Isnt our heart corruptible? I don't see how it could be acceptable for us as Christ followers to partake in something so worldy, something that causes such havoc and wreckage. I just can't see it fitting for a born-again Christian to regularly partake in. What's the purpose of alcohol, to relax? To unwind? Does it not become an idol? And I suppose smoking is alright in moderatioin? I see it as a self-soothing substitute. I don't know what good can come out of it, so I suppose the one who feels it alright to drink or smoke as a Christian should deeply examine themselves of the motive behind their desire. I believe that thel Lord is our source and supply.. Anyways, that's the way I feel.. I hope someone can see where I am coming from. God bless

So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 1 Cor 10:31

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Ephesians 5:18

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Cor 3:17

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6:19

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Gal 5:9

Scott Hutchinson · #46 07-11-2009, 02:40 PM

I don't drink but for example suppose a Christian has a medical issue and drunk a little passover wine for their probelm as suggested by a doctor ok then suppose a Christian has a medical issue then takes a prescription drug as ordered by a doctor that can be habit-forming for a medical probelm what's the difference ?

*AQuietPlace* · #47 07-11-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by giftofgrace

Take alcohol for example. How are we to judge what is in moderation and what isnt?

That one is easy.

The Bible addresses it. It says not to become drunken. So, if you're drinking enough to become drunk, you're drinking too much. The Bible addresses moderation with alcohol in several places.

The Bible does say wine will gladden the hearts of men.

14He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

15And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

I don't drink alcohol, and I think it's something that should be handled very carefully.... but the Bible definitely does not forbid it.

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Scott Hutchinson · #48 07-11-2009, 02:41 PM

I think a person's motives comes to play in issues like this.

Scott Hutchinson · #49 07-11-2009, 02:42 PM

Would taking Nyquil be a sin ?

giftofgrace · #50 07-11-2009, 02:47 PM

I believe that God is our healer, yet He has created medicine as a means of healing as well. Still, all healing comes from God. Personally, I always pray when I am sick and many times I am healed, yet there are times when I take medicine because the sickness drags on is hindering me from continuing on with my daily routine. Its not my very first choice, but I feel I have to do it sometimes, knowing that I have put God first.