Something I want to remind folks of, IF they pass this bill as is, or even if they make admendments, they will over a period of time change it to what they wanted all along.
Look how our taxes have changed from what it was originally set out to be. IRS was to be voluntary, is it now?
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You really believe this? Whoever that panel is, their net decisions mean that the overall population lives longer. Meds? What we call "prescription meds" are readily available over the counter in Britain. As they are in Canada and Australia. They are even available here in Saudi Arabia. Malaysia. Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy.
Maybe easier access to meds is why Brits and Canadians and Australians and yes even the pot-smoking Dutch live longer. If people have shorter lives then the healthcare system is not working. So what say you, any of you, to this?
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Then I am off mine too. Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.
so do a lot of countries where this kind of healthcare has been in place for any length of time.
You really believe this? Whoever that panel is, their net decisions mean that the overall population lives longer. Meds? What we call "prescription meds" are readily available over the counter in Britain. As they are in Canada and Australia. They are even available here in Saudi Arabia. Malaysia. Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy.
Maybe easier access to meds is why Brits and Canadians and Australians and yes even the pot-smoking Dutch live longer. If people have shorter lives then the healthcare system is not working. So what say you, any of you, to this?
The thread is about "death panel" It is not about where you get your drugs.
Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.
You think I brought that up? Or your silly implication that lower life expectancy is because of immigration (Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico all have higher life expectancy than your favorite state Ohio with your precious "Cleveland Clinic"). Or your silly implication that "drug use" somehow has to do with life expectancy? (Pot is legal in Alaska and the Netherlands and they both have higher life expectancies than your favorite state of Ohio with your precious "Cleveland Clinic".)
Which state DOES have a public system? Hawaii. Guess who ranks first in life expectancy? (laughing) NOT Ohio. None of your numbers add up when you apply RESULTS to them.
The above reference to a "panel" in Britain is a statement, like your death panel statement, that flat gives untrue information. Because Britain does not have restrictions on "prescription drugs" nor do many, many other countries. You can just go get them, doctor or no doctor. Better than your current system where people go without them because there is no access at all to a doctor thus no access to medications either.
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The thread is about "death panel" It is not about where you get your drugs.
You really believe this? Whoever that panel is, their net decisions mean that the overall population lives longer. Meds? What we call "prescription meds" are readily available over the counter in Britain. As they are in Canada and Australia. They are even available here in Saudi Arabia. Malaysia. Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy.
Maybe easier access to meds is why Brits and Canadians and Australians and yes even the pot-smoking Dutch live longer. If people have shorter lives then the healthcare system is not working. So what say you, any of you, to this?
I am so glad you brought up life expectancy! THANK YOU!
I dont have time right now but stick around because I will be knocking that little boondoggle out of the park in a couple of hours.
hint, life expectancy is NO indication of medical care.
geez.
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(laughing) That's been tried with me (the park thing). You just bring it pardner. I would think a superior level of medical care would at least imply that you wouldnt die sooner! Maybe we have different priorities....
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I am so glad you brought up life expectancy! THANK YOU!
I dont have time right now but stick around because I will be knocking that little boondoggle out of the park in a couple of hours.
hint, life expectancy is NO indication of medical care.
go listen to your president. he said as much in the ABC townhall/infomertial.
That is untrue. He did not say as much. What he said was that the doctor would be involved with end of life discussions. This includes discussions about living wills, making a close relative or a trusted friend your health care proxy, or talking about hospices and such among the lawyer and the patient. This already happens, only now the doctor will be able to listen in and recommend things to the patient. The AARP supports this provision, btw:
Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy. 
So what say you, any of you, to this?
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