Only that the "end of life planning and care" amendments to the bill were attached by a republican from Georgia (laughing) as part of covering access to "end of life" planning as part of the reform bill
All the seniors are covered by medicare now. Any sign of "death panels" in the public medicare system (except for Ohio where people do in fact die earlier in spite of all efforts of the highly esteemed Cleveland Clinic) than dope-smoking hippy types in the Netherlands?
You reveal yourself with ignorant questions. Intentionally ignorant at times.
Obama is sneaky and deceptive. He will not call something what it is but puts a marketing sping on it and makes it sound different.
‘eligible expenditures’ is the expression written in to describe what they cover. If Chemo is not ""elgible expenditure" as the guidelines ffrom the "death Panel" so be it.
Ask the politician this question:
7. If you support a “comparative effectiveness” board, what qualifies you, as a politician, to practice medicine? Have you delivered health care to a single person, much less entire classes of people you claim to represent, such as the poor, the uninsured, or children?
I’m one of two physicians in the Senate, along with John Barrasso of Wyoming. I know for a fact that very few leaders in this debate have any firsthand experience or knowledge of health care, which is disturbing.
"Comparative effectiveness" Is another fluffy expression for "death panel". They deciide no more chemo or no surgery. Hey if you have Recurrent depression, you may not be an acceptible risk.
covered for twisp in Post #35.
One of the tactics of deception is to play ignorant and repeat the same questions.
Post #36 I refer to the document.
You struggle with "getting it" You just don't get it. Let me help you. If there is a panel edict that disallows a medication for you and it is a life saving product, you die. You die. That makes the panel a "death panel" They denied palliative care, you die and or suffer also. The hionest descriptor is "death panel"
Just like the deceiving lying /democrats banter about with the expression "planned parenthood" It is another famous lie. it is not about parenthod. It is about abortion and preventing parenthood.
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Page 30: A Government committee will decide what treatments & benefits you get. This would be the “Death Panel” and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process.
So expose it and Name it "death panel"
I have seen a death panel before. We had an 8 year old boy bleeding to death after an accident. His familiy and friends were JW's and we couldn't get a judge to grant an order for a transfusion so I can call that group in the waiting room a "death panel" It was a group decision. He died.
This is another example of somewhat well intentioned people who don't do research on things for themselves letting people like goofy Sarah Palin get them all worked up over nothing. Good Christian people get caught up in spreading the lies and mistruths so a politician can play a political game and in the process people are driven to fear and illogical conclusions.
Sarah Palin never believed there were any "death panels". She simply brought up it up to keep her spotlight loving name in public view, never mind, she lied to do so.
Georgia Republican Senator Johnny Isakson told the Washington Post and I quote, "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts,” he said. “You’re putting the authority in the individual rather than the government. I don’t know how that got so mixed up.” All the provision in the bill does is allow for Doctors to be paid for talking to families about "living wills, choosing a health care proxy or learning about hospice care". Those are all things that everyone already discusses, but the measure simply pays a doctor for his time to talk with the family about it during a session.
In addition the measure actually BLOCKS funding for counseling that discusses suicide or physician assisted suicide as an option for treatment. Surely everyone understands what the phrase "blocks funding" means right?
Those are the facts for those who actually want them and aren't just trying to kill healtcare reform so their side can "win".
What's amazing to me is that so many Republicans do their best to defeat healthcare reform when a Democrat is in office and wants to address the issue. They are great at playing defense. They have no offense however. The Republican party hasn't done a blessed thing to help fix the acknowledged health care problem in this country even though they've controlled the White House and both houses of Congress several times over the last 29 years.
The Republican party apparently doesn't have any solutions to help fix health care. Just saying, "No", to everything a Democratic administration proposes doesn't help solve the problem. They refused to lead so the Democrats are in the process of doing so.
Those are the facts for those who have half a brain and want to know the truth.
This is another example of somewhat well intentioned people who don't do research on things for themselves letting people like goofy Sarah Palin get them all worked up over nothing. Good Christian people get caught up in spreading the lies and mistruths so a politician can play a political game and in the process people are driven to fear and illogical conclusions.
Sarah Palin never believed there were any "death panels". She simply brought up it up to keep her spotlight loving name in public view, never mind, she lied to do so.
Georgia Republican Senator Johnny Isakson told the Washington Post and I quote, "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts,” he said. “You’re putting the authority in the individual rather than the government. I don’t know how that got so mixed up.” All the provision in the bill does is allow for Doctors to be paid for talking to families about "living wills, choosing a health care proxy or learning about hospice care". Those are all things that everyone already discusses, but the measure simply pays a doctor for his time to talk with the family about it during a session.
In addition the measure actually BLOCKS funding for counseling that discusses suicide or physician assisted suicide as an option for treatment. Surely everyone understands what the phrase "blocks funding" means right?
Those are the facts for those who actually want them and aren't just trying to kill healtcare reform so their side can "win".
What's amazing to me is that so many Republicans do their best to defeat healthcare reform when a Democrat is in office and wants to address the issue. They are great at playing defense. They have no offense however. The Republican party hasn't done a blessed thing to help fix the acknowledged health care problem in this country even though they've controlled the White House and both houses of Congress several times over the last 29 years.
The Republican party apparently doesn't have any solutions to help fix health care. Just saying, "No", to everything a Democratic administration proposes doesn't help solve the problem. They refused to lead so the Democrats are in the process of doing so.
Those are the facts for those who have half a brain and want to know the truth.
Where did you find where she said she lied about that?
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Where did you find where she said she lied about that?
She's never admitted to it.
I'm assuming that she knows how to read and it's clear for anyone who can read that there is absolutely no possibility of "death panels" under this legislation.
That's either a total fabrication of her imagination or a lie used to get her name in the press because of it's outlandishness.
No one in their right mind can read that legislation and come up with "death panels".
I'm in step with the Republican from Georgia on this. "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts,”
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I'm assuming that she knows how to read and it's clear for anyone who can read that there is absolutely no possibility of "death panels" under this legislation.
That's either a total fabrication of her imagination or a lie used to get her name in the press because of it's outlandishness.
No one in their right mind can read that legislation and come up with "death panels".
I'm in step with the Republican from Georgia on this. "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts,”
Do you honestly want to know what the plan calls these "panels"?
Man Denied Residency Over Son With Down Syndrome
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The immigration department in Australia denied a badly-needed German doctor residency because his son "did not meet the health requirement."
AP
A German doctor hoping to gain permanent residency in Australia said Friday he will fight an immigration department decision denying his application because his son has Down syndrome. Bernhard Moeller came to Australia with his family two years ago to help fill a doctor shortage in a rural area of Victoria state.
His temporary work visa is valid until 2010, but his application for permanent residency was rejected this week. The immigration department said Moeller's 13-year-old son, Lukas, "did not meet the health requirement."
"A medical officer of the Commonwealth assessed that his son's existing medical condition was likely to result in a significant and ongoing cost to the Australian community," a departmental spokesman said in a statement issued Thursday by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
"This is not discrimination. A disability in itself is not grounds for failing the health requirement -- it is a question of the cost implications to the community," the statement said.
"death Panel" When a patient is on a ventilator and feeding tube, someone decides to unplug life support. In the case of the new bill, it will be influenced elswhere. It is not quit correct to put the authority in the hands of a single person so they call it a panel.
"advanced care Planning associates" will work with other people and a life or death decision will be carried out. The deception is in the name. The deception is in who makes the decesion. the deception is in who tells the patient the decision can't be over ridden from the patient end.
The key for successfull detrimental manipulation is to declare that it was the patients idea and for the good of the suffering patient. Manipulate the patient to have them say they want to end it. After these killings, people have the audacity to say that is what the patient wanted.
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