"death panels" obamacare

[Esther]

Something I want to remind folks of, IF they pass this bill as is, or even if they make admendments, they will over a period of time change it to what they wanted all along.

Look how our taxes have changed from what it was originally set out to be. IRS was to be voluntary, is it now?

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by n david

... Mike wears BHO undies, sleeps in "Yes We Can" sheets and drinks BHO koolaide (the red stuff) by the gallon.

That's actually funny. I'll give you points for making me laugh on that one.

I'll get my picture with all of that stuff if you'll promise to take pictures of you in your Sarah Baracuda jammies, with your EIB Rush Limbaugh slippers and a copy of Glenn Beck's (Un) Common Sense.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by n david

The interview I posted isn't about physician assisted suicide, Mike. There's a difference between what you're speaking of and what BHO is speaking of here. Read the statement again ... what IS the issue is that under his socialized healthcare, BHO's own grandmother may not have rec'd her hip replacement to improve quality of her life - just because she was soon to die.

That's the issue. Under BHO's plan there may well not be PAS (technically) ... instead he'll let the terminal patients rot away and die with no quality of life care.

But I digress ... Mike wears BHO undies, sleeps in "Yes We Can" sheets and drinks BHO koolaide (the red stuff) by the gallon. And Light ... well, he just hates anyone conservative or Republican...

And under the link you posted, he does not mention that the government will decide on end of life decisions. He talks about guidance, not determination. He says nothing about government decided end of life decisions unless you have a special monitor that lets you see sentences the rest of us can't see.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

And under the link you posted, he does not mention that the government will decide on end of life decisions. He talks about guidance, not determination. He says nothing about government decided end of life decisions unless you have a special monitor that lets you see sentences the rest of us can't see.

He probably has experience dealing with the government and understands exactly what they really mean.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

That's actually funny. I'll give you points for making me laugh on that one.

I'll get my picture with all of that stuff if you'll promise to take pictures of you in your Sarah Baracuda jammies, with your EIB Rush Limbaugh slippers and a copy of Glenn Beck's (Un) Common Sense.

Mike what do you have against Rush, Beck and Hannity?

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Esther

Mike what do you have against Rush, Beck and Hannity?

They take part in the spreading of lies and half truths about everything that anyone outside of the Republican party supports. They are great at proprogating junk like this death panel mess that has no basis whatsoever.

The Kings of Misinformation is what I like to refer to them as. And yes I know they have their liberal counterparts like Colmbes and others.

Most talk radio in this country doesn't have any desire of actually discussing issues just their own liberal or conservative agendas. They don't help solve a single problem.

[n david]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

That's actually funny. I'll give you points for making me laugh on that one.

I'll get my picture with all of that stuff if you'll promise to take pictures of you in your Sarah Baracuda jammies, with your EIB Rush Limbaugh slippers and a copy of Glenn Beck's (Un) Common Sense.

Not sure I'd want to see a pic of you in BHO undies. I'd settle for your autographed copies of BHO posters, his book and a pic of you two enjoying a cold one by the picnic table.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

They take part in the spreading of lies and half truths about everything that anyone outside of the Republican party supports. They are great at proprogating junk like this death panel mess that has no basis whatsoever.

The Kings of Misinformation is what I like to refer to them as. And yes I know they have their liberal counterparts like Colmbes and others.

Most talk radio in this country doesn't have any desire of actually discussing issues just their own liberal or conservative agendas. They don't help solve a single problem.

Mike it does have a basis. Wake up man!

I haven't seen any misinformation from them, but if you have any you can point out I would be glad to see it. As to the death panel, it is written in a way that it can be interpreted that way, PLUS knowing that Obama has included the author of the death panel, not sure he even thinks you need a panel, on his team, it is easy to see that 2 + 2 = 4.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Esther

Mike it does have a basis. Wake up man!

I haven't seen any misinformation from them, but if you have any you can point out I would be glad to see it. As to the death panel, it is written in a way that it can be interpreted that way, PLUS knowing that Obama has included the author of the death panel, not sure he even thinks you need a panel, on his team, it is easy to see that 2 + 2 = 4.

Rush Limbaugh's always been a liar. I listened to him when I was in high school back in the 90's and didn't listen for over two weeks because of all the lies he told on the Clinton Administration. He's an embelisher and basically just the Howard Stern of Conservative talk radio.

Esther I respect your opinion but there is NO WAY a sane individual can come up with a death panel from legislation that BLOCKS FUNDING FOR ANY SESSION DISCUSSING SUICIDE OR ASSISTED SUICIDE. Is that hard to understand?

Anyone who believes the death panels bit is too far out in right field to even have an informed discussion with, IMO.

[Pressing-On]

The British single-payer bureaucrats arrived at the price of an additional year of life in the same way they decide how much health care all British people will get, through a formula called "quality-adjusted life years."

That means that if you're sick in Great Britain, government bureaucrats literally decide if your life is worth living and, if so, how much longer and at what cost.

If it's more than $45,000, you're out of luck.

In the highest levels of the Obama Administration there is a theory of how to ration health care that is troublingly reminiscent of the British system of "quality-adjusted life years."

Dr. Ezekial Emanuel is a key health care advisor to President Obama and the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Earlier this year, Dr. Emanuel wrote an article that advocated what he called "the complete lives system" as a method for rationing health care. You can read it here - http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...137-9/fulltext

The system advocated by Dr. Emanuel would allocate health care based on the government's perception of the societal worth of the patients. Accordingly, the very young and the very old would receive less care since the former have received less societal investment and the latter have less left to contribute.

"The Complete Lives System" would also consider the prognosis of the individual.

Quoting Dr. Emanuel: "A young person with a poor prognosis has had few life-years but lacks the potential to live a complete life. Considering prognosis forestalls the concern that disproportionately large amounts of resources will be directed to young people with poor prognosis."

When fully implemented, Dr. Emanuel's system, in his words, "produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated."

"Chances that are attenuated" is a nice way of saying the young and the old are considered less worthy of health care and, under this system, will get less.