Gay Pastor's(xupc)recent Letter to the UPCI ! ! !

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Rhoni

I try not to respond to your posts, but I do believe that this is one of the most ludicrous statements that I have ever read.

It's right up there with "He/she must have a problem with ________ because he/she preaches about it all the time".

I think she is just trying to say that when someone reacts in an extreme fashion to certain sins, it may say more about them than anything else.

[ManOfWord]

Well, so far, I appreciate a decent, civil discussion of yet another very difficult topic.

I must clarify the whole "grading" of sin deal. I do believe that in God's eyes, there is a gradation of sin. However, it just may not be exactly the gradation that we, as humans, think it is. I am NOT soft on homosexuality. I am, however, compassionate toward homosexuals.

As far as my personal thinking is concerned, I agree with Rhoni & Newman that the worst sins are sexual sins committed against an innocent child. The damage from an unscrupulous pervert indelibly "branded" on the spirit of a child is "almost" unforgiveable, IMO.

All sins have the ability to condemn to hell....sin is sin. "For him who knows to do good and does it not, to him it is sin."

I do not believe that homosexuality is acceptable in any way and that it is, indeed, perversion. That being said, why does homosexuality receive a larger "red letter" than the other perversions?

[Trouvere]

Man of War I think because its so celebrated by those who would like to make us accept it as normal.Face it I doubt a newspaper comes our anywhere in the world that is a national news paper that does not have an article or in some way mentions homosexuality.TV lately does alot to celebrate that sin and promote it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I do not believe that homosexuality is acceptable in any way and that it is, indeed, perversion. That being said, why does homosexuality receive a larger "red letter" than the other perversions?

I think it is because it is perverting God's image. Romans 1 associates changing the image of God to that of creatures with homosexuality. A weird spiritual connection. Man is in God's image and when men change God's image to that of a creature, God gives them over to homosexuality, fit to be destroyed.

Rom 1:23-27 KJV And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Originally Posted by CC1

I have a feeling this fancy letter is still not going to get Brad invited to speak at next year's AMC Conference or BOTT!!!!!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think it is because it is perverting God's image. Romans 1 associates changing the image of God to that of creatures with homosexuality. A weird spiritual connection. Man is in God's image and when men change God's image to that of a creature, God gives them over to homosexuality, fit to be destroyed.

Rom 1:23-27 KJV And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

True it is perversion against nature.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think it is because it is perverting God's image. Romans 1 associates changing the image of God to that of creatures with homosexuality. A weird spiritual connection. Man is in God's image and when men change God's image to that of a creature, God gives them over to homosexuality, fit to be destroyed.

Rom 1:23-27 KJV And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I think this is your interpretation and it is not necessarily a fact. I think that reprobate minds do not mean you are given over to homosexuality! That is a twist you put on that one yourself. I know many homosexuals trying to come out of the lifestyle that are nowhere near 'Reprobate'!
Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

True it is perversion against nature.

The sin nature itself is nature/the unregenerated man. It is God who adds the redemption and regenerated side to man. There are many 'perversions' out there, the practice of homosexuality is one of the many.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I think this is your interpretation and it is not necessarily a fact. I think that reprobate minds do not mean you are given over to homosexuality! That is a twist you put on that one yourself. I know many homosexuals trying to come out of the lifestyle that are nowhere near 'Reprobate'!
Blessings, Rhoni

I wish you was correct I have never known any???? Not saying they haven't but I have yet to know the first one. I some who CLAIMED to but in time they went back into the lifestyle if they ever really left it. Again I hope you are right.

[J-Roc]

Is it a lifestyle of sin and rejection of God that gets you to hell or do we believe God is very technical regarding sin (such as a lie or calling a brother/sister an idiot) and that it alone will get you a spot in hell? When the rapture takes place, do we think that the body of believers (the millions that are to be caught up in a twinkling of an eye) will all be in perfect unison and purity from any sin whatsoever in their life....or will there be a pause of 1 minute for everyone to throw in 6 Hail Marys in order to purge them of their sins...and will the ones that were sleeping at that moment get sent to the hot seat because they didn't make it in time to say their Hail Mary? Seriously, do you believe the body of believers will be in perfect purity? or do we really have a better hope in Christ knowing that his righteousness, not ours, is what makes us righteous?