The Backside to Submission

[ILG]

Originally Posted by iceniez

Amen. This kind of Love makes it SAFE to submit to, not out of fear but mutual respect and love.

There is the key point, I think. This kind of leader is SAFE to submit to. He probably doesn't talk about submission much either because most people under him probably do not find it a difficult thing to do.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by ILG

There is the key point, I think. This kind of leader is SAFE to submit to. He probably doesn't talk about submission much either because most people under him probably do not find it a difficult thing to do.

True

[ILG]

Example:

Young woman gets into the church. Young woman wants nothing more than to please God. She does not understand the church's social norms. She is taught that women are usurpers of authority and, by nature, seducers. This is evident in the way that women cut their hair and wear make-up in the world. Uncut hair is a sign of submission. No make-up is a sign of purity. No pants are also a sign of not usurping maleness. Jewelry is for wanton women wanting to beautify themselves. YW sees neighboring pastor's wife trim some hair just to fluff it a bit and she also wears a wedding ring. YM is taught that the liberals are probably not saved. YM looks around her church and sees a few wedding rings. YM becomes confused and expresses concern. YM is told she should not judge others and that she is usurping the pastor's authority by being concerned. YM is reminded to keep her place and stop usurping authority.

=Confusion. Depression. Oppression.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by ILG

Example:

Young woman gets into the church. Young woman wants nothing more than to please God. She does not understand the church's social norms. She is taught that women are usurpers of authority and, by nature, seducers. This is evident in the way that women cut their hair and wear make-up in the world. Uncut hair is a sign of submission. No make-up is a sign of purity. No pants are also a sign of not usurping maleness. Jewelry is for wanton women wanting to beautify themselves. YW sees neighboring pastor's wife trim some hair just to fluff it a bit and she also wears a wedding ring. YM is taught that the liberals are probably not saved. YM looks around her church and sees a few wedding rings. YM becomes confused and expresses concern. YM is told she should not judge others and that she is usurping the pastor's authority by being concerned. YM is reminded to keep her place and stop usurping authority.

=Confusion. Depression. Oppression.

unfortunately this is also true. What is the answer ?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by iceniez

unfortunately this is also true. What is the answer ?

Stop preaching things that were made up by men.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by ILG

Stop preaching things that were made up by men.

I agree , but they won't stop. So then what? If we stay in traditional churches we will hear more of the same. I for one don't want to go to just any church. I want to hear truth { I believe oneness is the truth } . I am thankful for both of my Pastors , both are Godly men , Humble . So I am pretty happy where I am . It was not always so , but for now it is good , I have bumped into the judaizers, and such, and Pastors steeped in tradition. In the book of Rev 2:2 says I know thy works and thy patience and that thou canst not bear them that are evil; and thou hast tried them that say they are APOSTLES and are not,and hast found them liars . Harsh words I know, but I believe those that Preach tradition and the doctrines of men are preaching another Gospel. Jesus had words most with those who were religious. ref Matthew 15:3 and Matthew 15:7-9 . Just for the record I do believe in holiness..... but true holiness.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by iceniez

I agree , but they won't stop. So then what? If we stay in traditional churches we will hear more of the same. I for one don't want to go to just any church. I want to hear truth { I believe oneness is the truth } . I am thankful for both of my Pastors , both are Godly men , Humble . So I am pretty happy where I am . It was not always so , but for now it is good , I have bumped into the judaizers, and such, and Pastors steeped in tradition. In the book of Rev 2:2 says I know thy works and thy patience and that thou canst not bear them that are evil; and thou hast tried them that say they are APOSTLES and are not,and hast found them liars . Harsh words I know, but I believe those that Preach tradition and the doctrines of men are preaching another Gospel. Jesus had words most with those who were religious. ref Matthew 15:3 and Matthew 15:7-9 . Just for the record I do believe in holiness..... but true holiness.

Well, I left. That is how I solved the problem. I just think it's sad that people are subjected to that kind of stuff in the name of God and when they get confused, and feel oppressed, they are simply told that it is their own fault somehow. Nothing is ever the fault of the preachers. It's always your fault. The thinking really keeps you beat down until one day you hopefully wake up and get angry and take matters into your own hands.