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02-08-2010, 09:17 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
Also from the text it's easy to see that Pentecost was very different from the other instances
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02-08-2010, 09:19 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
on the bright side pel, Sis Alvear may be a useful source of information on these things. Shes heard some of these people speak in languages they did not know. So she can at least be the person that heard the language. I'm kind of curious what the people she heard do this said. Because I'm wanting to know if the tongues they used were more like a prayer language or more like a message from God or what.
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02-08-2010, 09:21 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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I have heard people speak in English that did not know one word in English...also witnessed somene speak in Portuguese here in America and the person did not know Portuguese...
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Do you have recordings or video? Are you certain that they were speaking an "unknown language as the Spirit gave the utterance" and not just repeating English phrases they had heard in the service and in the prayers of those around them?
I have prayed with non-English speakers who obviously and consciously attempted to repeated some of the things that I had been saying. It was almost a word-for-word pidgin type of thing in badly accented English, and definitely not "my own tongue wherein I was born."
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02-08-2010, 09:22 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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It's happened in our church. One of the ladies was speaking in japanese and a japanese person was there and understood it
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do you know what the japanese person heard? I mean do you know what the person speaking in japanese said?
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02-08-2010, 09:24 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Also from the text it's easy to see that Pentecost was very different from the other instances
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how was it soo different?
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02-08-2010, 09:24 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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I care about everybody, including Agnes Ozman.
You have answered my questions with "Good Grief" and "I can't believe we're discussing this..."
Now, have you ever seen or experienced a modern day example of Acts 2:4-8?
It's a simple question. My follow up was as simple as well, "Why do "Three Steppers" insist that something they have never seen nor experienced is the "evidence of salvation?" |
No answer would be sufficient for you because we don't agree.
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And quite out of the ordinary for all of the "salvation experiences" you yourself have witnessed? Can you PM me the name of the sister who spoke in the language of the guests and her email or contact info?
What language was spoken?
Who was the family? Can you send me contact information for them as well? I would like very much to look further into this. Thanks.
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No, I won't give you the names or anything. I would rather delight in the knowledge that you think I'm lying. 
I don't PM strangers either. LOL!
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02-08-2010, 09:25 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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do you know what the japanese person heard? I mean do you know what the person speaking in japanese said?
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No I don't. It was a long long time ago
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-08-2010, 09:27 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Yes, that would happen more when you get out of a predominantly English speaking society.
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I have lived among people "out[side] of a predominately English speaking society" and prayed with them, sought God with them, sought to win souls with them - I have never heard anyone ever speak in "my own tongue, wherein I was born" ( Acts 2:8) who wasn't already an English language speaker or obviously repeating a common phrase that they had heard over and over again like "Praise the Lord."
Nor have I ever heard or seen any evidence of this ever happening. No offense, but I think a lot of folks hear what they want to hear - or like those in many deaf ministries, simply report things that are not the case in order to be able to report having some success.
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02-08-2010, 09:28 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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No I don't. It was a long long time ago
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ah. See thats one problem I have with accepting such incidents. No one ever can tell what was said to the person. And I'm really not asking my question to disprove the incident, I really want to know because I'm curious how tongues work in these incidents. Is the person speaking as if he/she is praying or worshipping? Is the person speaking as if he/shes sharing a message from God?
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02-08-2010, 09:28 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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how was it soo different?
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Pentecost, about 120 believers gathered and were praying. After they were filled and began speaking in tongue it was "noised abroad" and a group of foreign speaking jews were gathered.
the other accounts were someone newly becoming a believer and not surrounded by groups that were foreigners.
Cornelius was surrounded by believing Jews from Jerusalem.
Acts 18 the disciples of John were there was Paul and perhaps some of Paul's entourage
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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