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02-07-2010, 07:58 AM
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Confess your sin, UPCI!
The UPC was founded upon an agreement, a covenant, that the two groups who came together would not strive for their own views but work in unity. One group broke the covenant when they pushed forward the affirmation statement. They got their way, but majority it not always right. Ps 106:15
I humbly suggest that the UPC as an organization repent of this sin, issue apologies to those who left because they could not sign the AS in all good conscience, and return to the spirit of the agreement originally set out by the founders of the UPC. This is one way to stop the schisms, truly be united, and bring God's favor. Eph 4:2-16
Let's love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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02-07-2010, 09:24 AM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
I agree with returning to the Spirit of the merger ...
All of us must confess our sins and repent.
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02-07-2010, 12:12 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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I agree with returning to the Spirit of the merger ...
All of us must confess our sins and repent.
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Go ahead Dan, were listening. 
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-07-2010, 09:59 AM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
The UPC was founded upon an agreement, a covenant, that the two groups who came together would not strive for their own views but work in unity. One group broke the covenant when they pushed forward the affirmation statement. They got their way, but majority it not always right. Ps 106:15
I humbly suggest that the UPC as an organization repent of this sin, issue apologies to those who left because they could not sign the AS in all good conscience, and return to the spirit of the agreement originally set out by the founders of the UPC. This is one way to stop the schisms, truly be united, and bring God's favor. Eph 4:2-16
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I am guessing your not UPC...but used to be....
My advice to you is...
Get. Over. It......for goodness sake. Leave it behind....let the UPC be the UPC and live your life as you please.
Sheeeesh....if it wasnt for the UPC half the threads on this forum would have nothing to gripe about...
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02-07-2010, 10:59 AM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by deadeye
I am guessing your not UPC...but used to be....
My advice to you is...
Get. Over. It......for goodness sake. Leave it behind....let the UPC be the UPC and live your life as you please.
Sheeeesh....if it wasnt for the UPC half the threads on this forum would have nothing to gripe about...
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I'm guessing you are UPC 
He sounds to me like hes living his life as he pleases. He can't help it that he wants to speak out about the wrongs he believes the UPC has done. And why shouldn't he? The UPC sure has no problem speaking out about the things it believes are wrong.
If what he is saying is truth then is it wrong for him to be shouting it from the rooftops? The bottom line is: there are people in the UPC who are ready to leave but just can't quite make that final step. Those people might need to hear what mizpeh is saying before they can take the final step out of the misreable position they are in.
It's really not about downing the UPC. It's knowing where we came from and how hard for ourselves it was to leave even when it was time and trying to help others who are in similar predicaments.
For us and others, the real impact of claiming that the UPC went away from it's original agreement is in showing that the old paths weren't always the old paths. It's in showing that tolerance once existed in the organization. It's in giving hope that maybe even the UPC can turn from the conservative opinion that currently is in control.
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02-07-2010, 12:14 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by deadeye
I am guessing your not UPC...but used to be....
My advice to you is...
Get. Over. It......for goodness sake. Leave it behind....let the UPC be the UPC and live your life as you please.
Sheeeesh....if it wasnt for the UPC half the threads on this forum would have nothing to gripe about...
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Im UPC and I agree. The UPC was wrong to allow the affirmation statement and get away from the original agreement.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-07-2010, 12:23 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Im UPC and I agree. The UPC was wrong to allow the affirmation statement and get away from the original agreement.
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From reading on the previous forums it seems that many said that, originally, the "differing" views on the salvational message sounded so alike that you couldn't distinguish the two. Now it's been said that the differences are very apparent and couldn't possibly abide together.
So, wouldn't the two have drifted apart even without an Affirmation Statement? It seems like they would have. Perhaps the AF helped it along but, today it seems it would have ended in a divide anyway, JMO.
How can God, who is so precise on plans and timing, have two plans of salvation?
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02-07-2010, 12:53 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
Not being UPC but having heard bits and pieces about the Affirmation Statement please clarify. Did it have to do with the plan of salvation or standards or both?
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02-07-2010, 03:04 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Not being UPC but having heard bits and pieces about the Affirmation Statement please clarify. Did it have to do with the plan of salvation or standards or both?
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Ministers were required to sign the AS annually to affirm their belief in the changes made to the Fundamental Doctrine and the Articles of Faith. That has since been changed as well to bi-annually.
The changes affected the UPC's position on the plan of salvation and standards - both.
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02-07-2010, 02:22 PM
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Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
From reading on the previous forums it seems that many said that, originally, the "differing" views on the salvational message sounded so alike that you couldn't distinguish the two. Now it's been said that the differences are very apparent and couldn't possibly abide together.
So, wouldn't the two have drifted apart even without an Affirmation Statement? It seems like they would have. Perhaps the AF helped it along but, today it seems it would have ended in a divide anyway, JMO.
How can God, who is so precise on plans and timing, have two plans of salvation?
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They would only drift apart if one group or the other made it a divisive issue. The affirmation statement was part of that divisive direction.
We lost some good men when that happened.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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