Locking borders Christian?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

As a police officer i know that every state in the union already has the right to investigate further into anyone's identification and status in this country when they are being charged with a crime...problem is that people are being asked for more than a license if they don't look like the ones making the laws.

Can you give me an example of this in Arizona as a result of this new law?

I know about racial profiling. It happens - and even worse crimes are committed by officials, damaging the good will and hard work of the vast, vast majority. But this law doesn't do anything that the Federal Codes it cites don't already require.

If there's a problem with that, then why haven't the politicos who are denouncing this law ever spoken out against the Federal Code behind it? Those Federal Codes on immigration are obviously controversial and have even generated massive protests in the streets, but it's just the state law that gets jumped on.

Could it be that all of this controversy is just a lot of noise over nothing? Could it be that with the upcoming Federal midterm elections that there are politicians of every stripe who are attempting to get an angle favorable to them?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

Its not Mexico's problem that American citizens are being asked to prove that they are American citizens...its our problem and we shouldn't accept it just because it doesn't effect our family...its racial profiling hands down.

No one in my family has been asked to prove anything. We live in the Southwest and some of the kin folk are pretty bronzed for a number of reasons. In fact, I just had ice cream with 4 of my Spanish surnamed grand nieces and their moms just last night and no one bothered us at all (see the POTUS' comments about going out for ice cream).

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

Its not Mexico's problem that American citizens are being asked to prove that they are American citizens...its our problem and we shouldn't accept it just because it doesn't effect our family...its racial profiling hands down.

What is the difference in that and profiling Muslims at the airport? Are we going to be so politically correct that we have a brain freeze and not fix anything? There is no possible way that there won't be a degree of profiling.

From the statistics I've read, most of the American Hispanic population don't want the illegals here. So, help get them out and we can settle the issue down.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Can you give me an example of this in Arizona as a result of this new law?

I know about racial profiling. It happens - and even worse crimes are committed by officials, damaging the good will and hard work of the vast, vast majority. But this law doesn't do anything that the Federal Codes it cites don't already require.

If there's a problem with that, then why haven't the politicos who are denouncing this law ever spoken out against the Federal Code behind it? Those Federal Codes on immigration are obviously controversial and have even generated massive protests in the streets, but it's just the state law that gets jumped on.

Could it be that all of this controversy is just a lot of noise over nothing? Could it be that with the upcoming Federal midterm elections that there are politicians of every stripe who are attempting to get an angle favorable to them?

My stance is exactly that of the politicians taking advantage of the midterm elections...in passing this law...a white guy in a BMW gets stopped and asked for a license but forgot it home....no problem...charged with no license and goes on his way....hispanic guy in an older car gets stopped and asked for license but forgot it home...checked further and turned over to feds? Police Officers all over the country are outraged by this law...wanna know why? We are handcuffed in dealing with drug dealers, prostitutes, drug addicts, the worst of society who are protected by the constitution in having their civil rights as American citizens. The fed govt has even gone so far as to give enemy combatants civil rights...but those fitting the profile of a non citizen, even if they are, don't have the same civil rights as the ones blowing up our buildings and the things that I listed above...its an outrage.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What is the difference in that and profiling Muslims at the airport? Are we going to be so politically correct that we have a brain freeze and not fix anything? There is no possible way that there won't be a degree of profiling.

From the statistics I've read, most of the American Hispanic population don't want the illegals here. So, help get them out and we can settle the issue down.

The most meaningful path forward involves the US accepting its responsibilities among the nations of the world and taking control of its own lawless border. We demand that Pakistan does this. We demanded that Syria do this during the worst of the Iraq fighting. We should do this too.

And notice, with a few notable exceptions (most notable because they are so few comparatively) the vast majority of bodies that are turning up along the border region are Hispanic? Whatever it is that we've been doing has been hurting Hispanics in disproportionate numbers. Our policy has got to change.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What is the difference in that and profiling Muslims at the airport? Are we going to be so politically correct that we have a brain freeze and not fix anything? There is no possible way that there won't be a degree of profiling.

From the statistics I've read, most of the American Hispanic population don't want the illegals here. So, help get them out and we can settle the issue down.

But most of the Hispanic population is not in favor of a law profiling them to show proof of citizenship. BTW we aren't even profiling Muslims at the airports...its usually granny who gets pulled aside while the ones fitting the terrorist profile are ignored as not to profile.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The most meaningful path forward involves the US accepting its responsibilities among the nations of the world and taking control of its own lawless border. We demand that Pakistan does this. We demanded that Syria do this during the worst of the Iraq fighting. We should do this too.

And notice, with a few notable exceptions (most notable because they are so few comparatively) the vast majority of bodies that are turning up along the border region are Hispanic? Whatever it is that we've been doing has been hurting Hispanics in disproportionate numbers. Our policy has got to change.

agreed here

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

But most of the Hispanic population is not in favor of a law profiling them to show proof of citizenship. BTW we aren't even profiling Muslims at the airports...its usually granny who gets pulled aside while the ones fitting the terrorist profile are ignored as not to profile.

Joey,
This law is not going to bring about any more profiling that isn't already going on right now. And I just don't see how you think they will round up illegals if they don't think they look like illegals. Goodness.

If anyone is legal and can prove it, what's the big headache? I would completely understand that and not have a problem with it. If I wanted my state to be more safe, that is.

Now, stop talking to me. I want to go to bed!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

My stance is exactly that of the politicians taking advantage of the midterm elections...in passing this law...a white guy in a BMW gets stopped and asked for a license but forgot it home....no problem...charged with no license and goes on his way....hispanic guy in an older car gets stopped and asked for license but forgot it home...checked further and turned over to feds? Police Officers all over the country are outraged by this law...wanna know why? We are handcuffed in dealing with drug dealers, prostitutes, drug addicts, the worst of society who are protected by the constitution in having their civil rights as American citizens. The fed govt has even gone so far as to give enemy combatants civil rights...but those fitting the profile of a non citizen, even if they are, don't have the same civil rights as the ones blowing up our buildings and the things that I listed above...its an outrage.

What do you do if you pulled over that "hispanic guy" in the older car? Your morning briefing gave you the description of some sick pervert that you'd really like to get off the streets, and you think you remember seeing a van matching a similar description parked about a mile or two away the other day.

But right now you've got your next door neighbor's lawn man pulled over because the tail light was out on his 1990 F-150. He does have a valid Sonaran State drivers license. He shows you the $1.50 bulb that he just bought at Checkers. You'd really like to go see if that van is still out there... what do you do?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

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Now, stop talking to me. I want to go to bed!

G'nite P.O.