MANGUN, SUBER and the POA...SHOUTING ..TOGETHER!!!!

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

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Bro. tv1a,

It might be wise to carefully examine which direction that next "level"

or step is going. Levels or steps go two directions. Up or down. Once your

footing leaves solid ground, you could go up but it also could be down. I do

not want to step off solid ground that I have stood on and have found to

be good ground for not only me but for my family as well. If we are not

standing on solid ground, the Rock, Christ Jesus, we will not stand for long

no matter what level we think we are stepping up too. That step just might

be the one to cause us and our family to completely lose our balance and

footing. We can step down (humble ourselves) or we can step up,(at His

leading),but we can also fall down, losing our balance. If we are being led

by the Spirit of Almighty God, we don't have to worry, but if we are being

led by those who may have become blinded, we have plenty to be concerned

about. I am saying we had better be led by the Spirit and not by men!

There is something that causes a concern when I hear the younger speak

against what the elders have done when they haven't done anything them-

selves except follow those who seek their own direction. THERE IS going to

be a SHOWDOWN one of these days and it is not going to be pretty. GOD

has led humble men and women who have had to walk by faith and not by

sight and He will not abandon them when those that they birthed and

many times act like spoiled brats, criticize the wonderful heritage that has

brought them to where they are today. Read the story of Rehoboam,

Solomon's son who reigned, after his dad's death when he consulted the

younger men instead of listening to those who had been loyal to the king.

But they wanted to be freed from the heavy burdens. Rehoboam's choice

completely split the kingdom. Two and ten. There's a lot more to the story

but that's enough for now.

Just some thoughts for those who weren't back there during the "hard"

times of sacrifice. They have been given so much they are tired of it, like

those children of Israel who were tired of the heavenly manna freely given

but they wanted more.

Blessings,

Falla39

Bump!

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

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Bro. tv1a,

It might be wise to carefully examine which direction that next "level"

or step is going. Levels or steps go two directions. Up or down. Once your

footing leaves solid ground, you could go up but it also could be down. I do

not want to step off solid ground that I have stood on and have found to

be good ground for not only me but for my family as well. If we are not

standing on solid ground, the Rock, Christ Jesus, we will not stand for long

no matter what level we think we are stepping up too. That step just might

be the one to cause us and our family to completely lose our balance and

footing. We can step down (humble ourselves) or we can step up,(at His

leading),but we can also fall down, losing our balance. If we are being led

by the Spirit of Almighty God, we don't have to worry, but if we are being

led by those who may have become blinded, we have plenty to be concerned

about. I am saying we had better be led by the Spirit and not by men!

There is something that causes a concern when I hear the younger speak

against what the elders have done when they haven't done anything them-

selves except follow those who seek their own direction. THERE IS going to

be a SHOWDOWN one of these days and it is not going to be pretty. GOD

has led humble men and women who have had to walk by faith and not by

sight and He will not abandon them when those that they birthed and

many times act like spoiled brats, criticize the wonderful heritage that has

brought them to where they are today. Read the story of Rehoboam,

Solomon's son who reigned, after his dad's death when he consulted the

younger men instead of listening to those who had been loyal to the king.

But they wanted to be freed from the heavy burdens. Rehoboam's choice

completely split the kingdom. Two and ten. There's a lot more to the story

but that's enough for now.

Just some thoughts for those who weren't back there during the "hard"

times of sacrifice. They have been given so much they are tired of it, like

those children of Israel who were tired of the heavenly manna freely given

but they wanted more.

Blessings,

Falla39

BUMP, BUMP, BUMPITTY, BUMP, BUMP!!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

Oh come on! How can you say that a conservative created their "own" definition of charismatic? Do you have proof?

I can refer to a church as "charismatic" when speaking to a UC, Mod or Lib Oneness Pentecostal and all three will know what I am refering to.

I am aware of the official Webster's definition of charismatic. I understand that by it's definition you are charismatic if you speak in tongues. I can accept that but why is it wrong for a word to take on a secondary meaning in certain circles?

"Charismatic" is a word used and understood by all of Oneness Pentecost so don't blame it all on the conservatives.

Originally Posted by tv1a

Charismatic is the euphemism used for those who do not participate in the religious fraternity. It is supposed to be the kiss of death to be labeled charismatic.

Originally Posted by bdlooney

First of all, my definition of this word.

Charismatic- a church or a person that believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit while not having holiness standards. (ex: women can cut their hair and wear pants, makeup, men in shorts etc...)

I am not saying this definition is right but it is the way that I have always used it and understood it.

Secondly, someone please PROVE to me that a conservative is the one created this secondary meaning to the word "chraismatic.

I work with a lady that attends a non-denominational, Spirit filled church. She fits MY definition of a charismatic perfectly. She is aware of the UPC and what it stands for. She describes herself as a charismatic but does not necesarily include the UPC in her definition.

She is a charismatic and I am a Oneness Holiness Pentecostal. Those are her words not mine.

She is not a conservative but understands and uses the word to describe herself. So please prove to me a conservative concocted this definition.

Wrong Mr. Looney ... not all OPs accept YOUR distorted definition of Charismatic ... go on wiki ... and look it up ... or google it.

The label has been used and abused in the manner you've described by UC OPs ONLY .... AND IT'S LAUGHABLE IF NOT SAD, AT BEST.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by big-larry

I'd like to point out that the AWCF is bigger than the UPC. I don't think JS will have any problem filling his preach card, as full as he wants.

ROFL!!!!

So you actually believe their numbers?

How many large churches, campmeetings, and other meetings are associated withthe AWCF in reality, not fantasy? List them please.

I don't have any issue with the AWCF and wish them well but I think you need a little reality check if you think they actually offer the same ministry opportunties JS had in the UPC where he preached in the largest churches, campmeetings, etc.

[MrsMcD]

I heard JS preach last night and this morning. I enjoyed his ministry.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Wrong Mr. Looney ... not all OPs accept YOUR distorted definition of Charismatic ... go on wiki ... and look it up ... or google it.

The label has been used and abused in the manner you've described by UC OPs ONLY .... AND IT'S LAUGHABLE IF NOT SAD, AT BEST.

Drum roll please!!!!!!!
Right On!

[Falla39]

The West Virginia District has a way of neutralizing churches in their area. Label a church charismatic and start 2 churches within 15-20 minutes from that one and get the aljc church 3 miles down the road to switch affilliation.
Even our church has been labelled charismatic. And my pastor has preached more from the Bible in two years than his predecessors did in 50 years.

Bro. tv1a,

Just wondering how old you are! Were you there during that 50 yrs.

That's a pretty bold statement , in the bolded!

Bro. I am not trying to be controversial but when we make such

statements like that, we should be SMART enough to back them up!

Blessings,

Falla39

Originally Posted by Falla39

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Bro. tv1a,

It might be wise to carefully examine which direction that next "level"

or step is going. Levels or steps go two directions. Up or down. Once your

footing leaves solid ground, you could go up but it also could be down. I do

not want to step off solid ground that I have stood on and have found to

be good ground for not only me but for my family as well. If we are not

standing on solid ground, the Rock, Christ Jesus, we will not stand for long

no matter what level we think we are stepping up too. That step just might

be the one to cause us and our family to completely lose our balance and

footing. We can step down (humble ourselves) or we can step up,(at His

leading),but we can also fall down, losing our balance. If we are being led

by the Spirit of Almighty God, we don't have to worry, but if we are being

led by those who may have become blinded, we have plenty to be concerned

about. I am saying we had better be led by the Spirit and not by men!

There is something that causes a concern when I hear the younger speak

against what the elders have done when they haven't done anything them-

selves except follow those who seek their own direction. THERE IS going to

be a SHOWDOWN one of these days and it is not going to be pretty. GOD

has led humble men and women who have had to walk by faith and not by

sight and He will not abandon them when those that they birthed and

many times act like spoiled brats, criticize the wonderful heritage that has

brought them to where they are today. Read the story of Rehoboam,

Solomon's son who reigned, after his dad's death when he consulted the

younger men instead of listening to those who had been loyal to the king.

But they wanted to be freed from the heavy burdens. Rehoboam's choice

completely split the kingdom. Two and ten. There's a lot more to the story

but that's enough for now.

Just some thoughts for those who weren't back there during the "hard"

times of sacrifice. They have been given so much they are tired of it, like

those children of Israel who were tired of the heavenly manna freely given

but they wanted more.

Blessings,

Falla39

Sister,

Your wisdom, maturity and solid spiritual training together with much experience come shining through in your every post. These words are well spoken, solid in doctrine and strike the mark perfectly.

Thank you.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Sister,

Your wisdom, maturity and solid spiritual training together with much experience come shining through in your every post. These words are well spoken, solid in doctrine and strike the mark perfectly.

Thank you.

Bro. Strange,

I have been around for many years and I have seen a lot of things.

A lot of things COME and GO. I know from experience that it pays to

listen to our elders, especially those who have looked to and trusted

God to direct their paths. They read in the Word of God that we could

"Trust in the LORD with ALL our hearts and lean not unto thine own

understanding." And that IF we would acknowledge HIM in ALL our ways,

He would DIRECT our paths.

It is sheer arrogrance to even suggest that those back 50-60 years ago

weren't doing anything of any importance. Much of what they did was

with great difficulty! They did not have the means to do what we might

be able to do. (The Bible states that to whom is much given, shall be

much required). They looked to God and sought His Face and He certainly

honorly those faithful ones. I know because I was back there 50 and 60

years ago. It is easy to make light of how much this one or that one has

done in two or three years. They had to trust God back there because

they did not have the money, nor a lot of things that make life easier

today. Don't try to change for me what my grandmother, my parents,

and many, many others fought the good fight of faith for. They taught

me how to trust God. I saw them trust Him. They didn't just tell me how

to trust God, they showed me. Easy to talk, harder to put into practice.

I don't care who it is, one day, if you haven't already faced that day,

you will be called on to see what you are really made of. That's the

ultimate test. When it's time for "quality control". When you are placed

in the "oven of adversity", to see if you "crack" or not!!! That's when

talk will be of no benefit. That will determine the outcome!

This is not to condemn anyone or to criticize anyone particularly but

to me I see some real problems. It is not just what some are saying but

an attitude that comes across, with the words.

There is an answer to every question any of us may have. If we will

HUMBLE ourselves UNDER THE MIGHTY HAND of GOD and pray and seek

HIS FACE, HE WILL take care of every situation. ASK HIS WILL, and

what HE desires. Let's get over this selfish ME, ME, ME, what I want,

MY, Way, or the highway!! YADA, YADA, YADA!!!

God loves us ALL. I love everyone because of the love of Christ shed

abroad in my heart by the Holy Ghost. Parents do things that children

many times think of as wanting to hurt them. Correction, for instance.

No, good parents, godly parents want to spare their children before

something happens to destroy them.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Bishop1]

I Thought It Only Fitting

To post This Photo On This Thread -

Anthony's Grampa
and
Gerald's Dad

" Bishop Walter Mangun "
Pastored
The Old Time Religion Tabernacle
In Plymouth Indiana -
{About 30 Miles From Where My Dad Pastored} -

Bro Fred Kinzie Came Out Of
Bishop Walter Mangun's Church


Bishop1