Scoffers on AFF - Page 19

shazeep · #1 09-19-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i'm not sure how a Posterist deals with Christ's "I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

The kingdom Jesus spoke of arrived in Acts 2.....minus one Apostle....Judas.

hmm; possible, i guess, but not very satisfying. Wouldn't that be "virtually everyone here?"

shazeep · #2 09-19-2015, 12:53 PM

ya, i guess it was destroyed by water, but not yet by "fire." but i think a point is that it is dangerous to get married to an opinion, and start excluding all other opinions. If the earth "became void" at the beginning of Genesis--a valid reading--we might be on some fifth "earth," for all anyone knows--or at least third. The "elements melting" will happen when the sun goes nova, in a couple billion years or whatever.

how does a posterist interpret Christ's quote? i have no idea, and would like to know. Do you just ignore it, or what?

shazeep · #3 09-19-2015, 04:27 PM

Sean, with all due respect, don't you think these are questions you should be able to answer, if you are going to hold the position you do? Or have i turned you Preterist?

Sean · #4 09-20-2015, 09:20 AM

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Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.

Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.QUOTE SEAN

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?QUOTE MFBLUME

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this the Law, Jewish religion and the Jews being dissolved by fire?

Sean · #5 09-20-2015, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

riginally Posted by Sean View Post
Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.

Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.QUOTE SEAN

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?QUOTE MFBLUME

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this the Law, Jewish religion and the Jews being dissolved by fire?

Yes Mike, please do explain!

shazeep · #6 09-20-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Yes Mike, please do explain!

So Sean, you are going to ignore the impacts of a preterist view v a posterist one, and torture Mike lawyer style? Wadr, you are the one who brought it up.

Sean · #7 09-20-2015, 09:32 PM

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?

Well?

Evang.Benincasa · #8 09-20-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?

Well?

Sean, if the planet earth is destroyed by fire is that the old heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21?

Sean · #9 09-21-2015, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, if the planet earth is destroyed by fire is that the old heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21?

The day of the Lord begins....

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The conclusion.....

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Yep. This will happen at the CONCLUSION of Peters' "Day of the Lord"!

Just like this particular conclusion of the Last Days/Church Age....16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

Sean · #10 09-21-2015, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?

Well?

Must I assume that you guys believe this?

Indeed I must.....

Hey everyone on AFF.....Mike and Benencasa believe that Peter was saying that the Law, the Jewish religion and the Jews were ready to be destroyed by fire, not the world as we know it!!!

It was Peters' secret code that he must have been writing in this passage!!!...LOL