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11-15-2007, 12:52 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
If we shun the Trinity because it's unbiblical, then why not XMAS? 
In Jesus Name
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Because the trinity doesn't make ya feel all goose pimply good and prompt you to go out spending your money and hoping to receive a bunch of goodies from your friends and family.
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11-15-2007, 12:56 AM
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Matthew 7:6
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Great Post.
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Why, thank you. (To God be the glory.)
Just trying to keep my sword sharp...
I love how the word of God is able to quickly and powerfully elucidate an issue.
I'll say also I'm actually grateful to this message board (and Good News Cafe also). It's really caused me to dig up some scriptures that had been buried in the corners of my mind and spirit for quite a while.
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11-15-2007, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Hey, and so much for Mothers Day/ Fathers day observances in church every year. Thats not scriptural either.
If we were to use that same logic I guess we wouldn't even have watch-night/New Years Eve observances in church either. Not only is it a non-biblical practice, but pagans were well known for having special observances to welcome the new year also.
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The Bible says to honor your father and mother. It says nothing about celebrating God's birthday, as if He had one. 
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11-15-2007, 01:40 AM
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Matthew 7:6
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Originally Posted by Rico
The Bible says to honor your father and mother. It says nothing about celebrating God's birthday, as if He had one. |
It says nothing about making sure to NOT observing Jesus's birthday either, so... I think the scriptures I posted previously still apply here. ( Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17)
Of course, "God" doesn't have a birthday per se, but the Son of God obviously did. And if Christians choose to use December 25th to observe/commemorate his birth, why would that be a a problem?
Again, it says nothing about watchnight/New Years Eve services either.. but most Apostolic churches observe that annually. Is that wrong ?
And the bible doesn't tell us to observe birthdays either, but most apostolics observe that too. Is that wrong?
As a matter of fact, it seems that most Apostolic churches even make it a point to take time out during a Sunday morning service to honor their pastor and pastor's wife when their birthday comes around. I guess you could consider that to be the "unbiblical observation of something the bible doesn't tell us to observe" ... and I guess you'd be right. 
Still I think some saints make a bigger deal over this stuff than God does.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
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11-15-2007, 02:09 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Rico
The Bible says to honor your father and mother. It says nothing about celebrating God's birthday, as if He had one. |
Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
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11-15-2007, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
If we shun the Trinity because it's unbiblical, then why not XMAS?
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
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I don't 'observe' Xmas, but I do 'observe' Christmas. I honor the Lord everyday and the day set aside to remember His b'day...even if that is not the actual date.
For those who do not, that is fine, but tell me...if you had a secular job which gave a Christmas bonus and paid time off at Christmas, would you refuse them?!
If we are going to shun Christmas, folks, let's shun it all, eh?!
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11-15-2007, 02:26 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
It says nothing about making sure to NOT observing Jesus's birthday either, so... I think the scriptures I posted previously still apply here. ( Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17)
Of course, "God" doesn't have a birthday per se, but the Son of God obviously did. And if Christians choose to use December 25th to observe/commemorate his birth, why would that be a a problem?
Again, it says nothing about watchnight/New Years Eve services either.. but most Apostolic churches observe that annually. Is that wrong ?
And the bible doesn't tell us to observe birthdays either, but most apostolics observe that too. Is that wrong?
As a matter of fact, it seems that most Apostolic churches even make it a point to take time out during a Sunday morning service to honor their pastor and pastor's wife when their birthday comes around. I guess you could consider that to be the "unbiblical observation of something the bible doesn't tell us to observe" ... and I guess you'd be right.
Still I think some saints make a bigger deal over this stuff than God does. |
The difference is that the Bible clearly warns against adopting pagan practices and then doing them unto the Lord. If Christmas had no connection whatsoever to Jesus then I wouldn't have such an issue against it. God doesn't have a birthday and the only thing He said to do in remembrance of Him was communion, not set a day aside to celebrate the day He came to Earth as a man. He certainly never gave instructions to anyone to take pagan practices and call them Christian, as some method to win more converts. Any way I look at it, celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday blatently goes against God's Word.
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11-15-2007, 06:36 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Amen, just like December 25th being the birthday of Christ.
Nonexistent Pine Trees with all silver and gold jewelry on them.
The list goes on, and on.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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EB, I know your feelings on the trinity. You believe that a person who believes in the trinity will go to hell, am I correct?
Do you believe that someone who celebrates the birthday of Jesus on December 25th, and puts presents under a pine tree will go to hell, also?
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11-15-2007, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Rico
The difference is that the Bible clearly warns against adopting pagan practices and then doing them unto the Lord. If Christmas had no connection whatsoever to Jesus then I wouldn't have such an issue against it. God doesn't have a birthday and the only thing He said to do in remembrance of Him was communion, not set a day aside to celebrate the day He came to Earth as a man. He certainly never gave instructions to anyone to take pagan practices and call them Christian, as some method to win more converts. Any way I look at it, celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday blatently goes against God's Word.
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God doesn't have a birthday, but Jesus does.
And, to follow this line of reasoning, in our churches we sing songs to music that originated in worldly environments. Many of the songs we sing and dance and shout to are sung to blues and jazz music.
We also sing songs that were written by trinitarians.
Where do we draw the line?
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11-15-2007, 06:43 AM
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I shun underwear because of their unbiblicalitynesss.
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