Going To Trinity Churches ? - Page 3

crakjak · #21 02-16-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

Por favor! People will do more than that in Jesus' name, and He will say "depart from me..."

Scott,
I visited with the Presbyterians when I was mad at the U-Con movement!

Yeah, god is a big bully, right? NOT!

berkeley · #22 02-16-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Yeah, god is a big bully, right? NOT!

Right, Jesus didn't mean wot He said...

Please use an uppercase "g" when you type "God."

crakjak · #23 02-16-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

Right, Jesus didn't mean wot He said...

Please use an uppercase "g" when you type "God."

I wasn't speaking of the One True God.

ForeverBlessed · #24 02-16-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So a sinner is intercepted by Jesus, has a life transforming conversion, repents calling on the name of the Lord, and determines to follow Jesus forever. He gets baptized... Jesus is preached and prayers are prayed in Jesus name. The baptism occurs - the pastor quotes Jesus (Matt. 28:19) word for word and the new convert goes under... He comes out of the water glorifying God and thanking Jesus for salvation.

Judgement day arrives. Will the LORD say, You prayed in my name - even at the baptismal service, yet my name was not spoken at the precise time of baptism... you are out on a technicality"???

Get real.

Bottom line - It is not as clear cut as many would like for it to be.

I believe you are right...

I believe that doing all in the name is as following the example of...under the authority of Jesus Christ... as we walk the example he led...we are doing as he did and truly have the understanding of the name.

I would hate to ruffle some feathers... but there will be those who baptized physically in the "name of Jesus" who did not follow his example.... who did not live according to his words... actions that he lived...the example he left for us to follow... and they will hear those words of "depart from me"

Some token, there will be those who did all to follow that example as you have stated... will possibly have a clearer understanding of one God... live the example Jesus lived... aka doing all in the name of Jesus.. who will hear "well done my faithful servant"

Do I believe in being baptized in Jesus name... absolutely... but I can't and will not judge someone else's experience... I have enough on my plate keeping up with trying to live according to his word...

Innocuous · #25 02-16-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I go to a "trinity" church.
I've be going there since the spring of 2006.
Before that I went to a Vineyard for almost 14 years.

I am a one-stepper so therefore, in my opinion, these folks are as "saved" as anyone.

As far as the teachings of "trinity" and "oneness" there is no single oneness teaching and no single trinity teaching. All of our explanations of our triune God are pretty much the same. I realize there are some among oneness who believe Jesus became God at His baptism and ceased being God before He could die on the cross, and among trinitarians there may be those who believe in three thrones, but I would think these are the exceptions on either end of the scale. The oneness and trinity folks I am familiar with both seem to believe pretty much the same.

Folks in oneness and trinity churches both receive the Holy Ghost Baptism.

It is my personal opinion that the condition of the heart of a person is more important than the amount of water or the words spoken during the ritual of baptism.

Tomorrow, Wednesday, and Friday I will be in meetings with "trinity" folks who love the Lord, who speak with tongues, and who are sincerely serving Him. I consider them my brothers and sisters and members in the Body of Christ.

I agree.

Michael The Disciple · #26 02-17-2009, 12:26 AM

Oneness doctrine is very important to me. At present I could not see myself going to a Trinity Church. I was there for the first 6 years of my walk. Having said that I put forth this scenario.

Although I feel the doctrine of who Jesus is is the most glorious and wonderful teaching there is it is nonetheless NOT the only teaching given to us.

For example if a Trinity Church moved in close to where I live and they lets say believed in the post trib rapture, soul sleep, the annihilation of the wicked and taught perfection and holiness topped off with love in the body I would possibly be tempted to check it out.

Why? Simply because of the weight of truth that would be there. Not that it would be what I wanted ideally but there is no Oneness Church that I am aware of within 500 miles of me teaching these things that I embrace.

Could I be silent about Oneness? No so it probably would not work!

berkeley · #27 02-17-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I wasn't speaking of the One True God.

Then who is this "god" that is not a bully?

crakjak · #28 02-17-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

Then who is this "god" that is not a bully?

He is the true God, the bully is the god made in the image of many traditional religionist.

I get your point, I could worded that a little better.

rosebud · #29 02-17-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So a sinner is intercepted by Jesus, has a life transforming conversion, repents calling on the name of the Lord, and determines to follow Jesus forever. He gets baptized... Jesus is preached and prayers are prayed in Jesus name. The baptism occurs - the pastor quotes Jesus (Matt. 28:19) word for word and the new convert goes under... He comes out of the water glorifying God and thanking Jesus for salvation.

Judgement day arrives. Will the LORD say, You prayed in my name - even at the baptismal service, yet my name was not spoken at the precise time of baptism... you are out on a technicality"???

Get real.

Bottom line - It is not as clear cut as many would like for it to be.

This sums up my feelings exactly! As for myself though, I wouldn't want to have been baptized any other way than in Jesus Name but I am not putting everyone else in hell over a different formula.

OnTheFritz · #30 02-17-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So a sinner is intercepted by Jesus, has a life transforming conversion, repents calling on the name of the Lord, and determines to follow Jesus forever. He gets baptized... Jesus is preached and prayers are prayed in Jesus name. The baptism occurs - the pastor quotes Jesus (Matt. 28:19) word for word and the new convert goes under... He comes out of the water glorifying God and thanking Jesus for salvation.

Judgement day arrives. Will the LORD say, You prayed in my name - even at the baptismal service, yet my name was not spoken at the precise time of baptism... you are out on a technicality"???

Get real.

Bottom line - It is not as clear cut as many would like for it to be.

Very well said.