Esther - Helen Thomas again - Birthing question!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Does Helen Thomas or anyone else have proof of Obama's citizenship, or rather, lack thereof?

HO,
It's just that I find it interesting that Helen Thomas would be so serious about this line of questioning. Why blurt out that it's not Constitutional?

The reason it interests me concerning Helen is that she is on record for saying that George W. Bush was the worst president she has ever known. Her reason - Because of his Conservative views. She said that she is a Liberal and will die a Liberal. "How can you see so much and not be a Liberal?" she asks. I would have loved for her to elaborate a little more on that point.

So, I find it interesting that she pushes the WH on their secrecy saying they have never seen it at this level as they are seeing it now. She is saying it's against the Constitution to not be American born and she is wanting to know why the issue keeps coming up.

This is very interesting and I wonder what information she may have heard that has caused HER to also doubt the authenticity of Obama being American born.

Again, the point for me is that it's Helen Thomas wondering about it......Hmmmmmmm.......Not a far-right or even middle of the road Conservative in any way, shape or form.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

There is only one ilk of thought that I cannot tolerate. That is the notion that we should not tolerate people expressing opinions different from our own. We'd all still be Catholic living by that premise.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

True... but the basic premise still stands.

The point is that there are absolute polar positions out there on many things and both sides just stand there talking about how crazy the other side is for believing what they believe.

Sometimes the truth is in the middle.

But people take polarizing positions against one another's thoughts and the only thing that doesn't get discovered is real truth.

Again, I agree with you. But at least base an argument on some type of fact. But again, I do agree with you. Well said.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

HO,
It's just that I find it interesting that Helen Thomas would be so serious about this line of questioning. Why blurt out that it's not Constitutional?

The reason it interests me concerning Helen is that she is on record for saying that George W. Bush was the worst president she has ever known. Her reason - Because of his Conservative views. She said that she is a Liberal and will die a Liberal. "How can you see so much and not be a Liberal?" she asks. I would have loved for her to elaborate a little more on that point.

So, I find it interesting that she pushes the WH on their secrecy saying they have never seen it at this level as they are seeing it now. She is saying it's against the Constitution to not be American born and she is wanting to know why the issue keeps coming up.

This is very interesting and I wonder what information she may have heard that has caused HER to also doubt the authenticity of Obama being American born.

Again, the point for me is that it's Helen Thomas wondering about it......Hmmmmmmm.......Not a far-right or even middle of the road Conservative in any way, shape or form.

My problem is that 'everyone is hearing about it', but nobody is providing the proof to refute what's already been presented. I'd feel better if someone other than Coadie would provide proof.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

My problem is that 'everyone is hearing about it', but nobody is providing the proof to refute what's already been presented. I'd feel better if someone other than Coadie would provide proof.

I don't know exactly what is going on with this. It would be the demise of the Democratic party to have him exposed as it would expose their motives for allowing him in. Something has felt very wrong from the beginning. His past is all wrong, his history is all wrong, his past and present associations are all wrong.

I'm reluctant to believe his birth certificate is authentic. This is not a conspiracy thread. It is simply putting out curious information about the issue.

Obviously, as Helen Thomas is stating, the issue is not settled for many.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't know exactly what is going on with this. It would be the demise of the Democratic party to have him exposed as it would expose their motives for allowing him in. Something has felt very wrong from the beginning. His past is all wrong, his history is all wrong, his past and present associations are all wrong.

I'm reluctant to believe his birth certificate is authentic. This is not a conspiracy thread. It is simply putting out curious information about the issue.

Obviously, as Helen Thomas is stating, the issue is not settled for many.

So you believe that this is a lie? This is from the new thread today. Source article is posted in that thread.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Not being accusatory towards you, I am just asking.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Twisp

So you believe that this is a lie? This is from the new thread today. Source article is posted in that thread.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Not being accusatory towards you, I am just asking.

I won't say that I believe it IS a lie.

But let me ask you this. On an issue of this magnitude... Do you think they would lie?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

So you believe that this is a lie? This is from the new thread today. Source article is posted in that thread.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Not being accusatory towards you, I am just asking.

I'm not getting into an argument with you on this. My thread is about Helen Thomas and others, after all the so-called proof, STILL questioning this and I am wondering why, like Helen, does it not go away? Something has not been concretely settled.

They blame the right-wing conspiracy on this, but Helen is a far-left Liberal and is questioning this as well.

Why would she so forcefully say - "It's against the Constitution"?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I won't say that I believe it IS a lie.

But let me ask you this. On an issue of this magnitude... Do you think they would lie?

Do I believe the Hawaiian government would lie? I believe any one person could lie, but I do not believe a lie could stand up for long in this era of information. Especially a lie of this magnitude. I do not believe the entire government of Hawaii would lie, no. One person in it, yes.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not getting into an argument with you on this. My thread is about Helen Thomas and others, after all the so-called proof, STILL questioning this and I am wondering why, like Helen, does it not go away? Something has not been concretely settled.

They blame the right-wing conspiracy on this, but Helen is a far-left Liberal and is questioning this as well.

Why would she so forcefully say - "It's against the Constitution"?

Who knows why she would say it so forcefully? Unless there are facts to back it up, however, it means nothing.

I understand not wanting to get into it. The other thread has gotten ridiculous enough as it is.

I think this has not gone away for some people the same way other conspiracy's won't. Some people will always believe we did not land on the moon, some people will always believe the earth is flat, ect. People love conspiracy's, including me. There just has to come a point where you look at all the information available, and admit that he is a natural US citizen.

For all of the threads, blogs and editorials, there has been nothing that a court has deemed relevant to look at, there is nothing that gave the Federal Election Commission pause, and there is nothing that the Republican party has been able to find. This big of a cover-up just could not stay hidden for this long.