This is for all the Trinity haters out there

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

wasn't trinity the name of that kung fu chick in 'the matrix"? she was cool.

I think so.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

News flash! Oneness people actually believe in the "Economic Trinity" of God, rather than the "essential trinity" of tritheism. (those who don't are true "Jesus only" which is false) It's just that the word "trinity" has become such a loaded term symbolizing Roman paganism disguised as Christianity, a lot of Apostolics feel an aversion to it. I don't, but I wouldn't name my daughter that because there are a lot prettier names out there.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

News flash! Oneness people actually believe in the "Economic Trinity" of God, rather than the "essential trinity" of tritheism. (those who don't are true "Jesus only" which is false) It's just that the word "trinity" has become such a loaded term symbolizing Roman paganism disguised as Christianity, a lot of Apostolics feel an aversion to it. I don't, but I wouldn't name my daughter that because there are a lot prettier names out there.

I'd never concede to believing or calling anything related to the Godhead, trinity. His Name is One.

Tell me whats wrong scripturally, with the term Jesus only.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

I'd never concede to believing or calling anything related to the Godhead, trinity. His Name is One.

Tell me whats wrong scripturally, with the term Jesus only.

Whether or not you concede to it the truth is that all OP's do. Cause they believe Jesus is the Father, Son and the HG. Jesus Only people are people that follow the idea that There is No Father or HG--not in a person form but in a function. Jesus functions as God when He was on earth in flesh but never ceased to be the HG too. Jesus Only is where when Jesus was on earth He was not God in heaven. God at his very nature is Triune at the least. He is the Father, Son, and HG all at the same time. He was God and the burning bush too. Again whether on concedes to it they either believe in or run the risk of being a heretic--Jesus Only.

[TCSQ]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Whether or not you concede to it the truth is that all OP's do. Cause they believe Jesus is the Father, Son and the HG. Jesus Only people are people that follow the idea that There is No Father or HG--not in a person form but in a function. Jesus functions as God when He was on earth in flesh but never ceased to be the HG too. Jesus Only is where when Jesus was on earth He was not God in heaven. God at his very nature is Triune at the least. He is the Father, Son, and HG all at the same time. He was God and the burning bush too. Again whether on concedes to it they either believe in or run the risk of being a heretic--Jesus Only.

I beg to differ with you most emphatically! I have been hearing this stuff for years, it mainly comes from a Jimmy Swaggart Pamphlet with the usual heavily inaccurate scholarship.

While there may indeed be people out there operating undere all kinds of labels and terminologies, JESUS ONLY IS and HAS BEEN the Motto of the ORIGINAL ONENESS ORGANIZATION The Pentecostal Assemblies of the World for decades and decades! They have NEVER even approximated any of the description that you have put forward here.

***I*** am "Jesus Only" and I most certainly do NOT ascribe to the description offerred above. Neither does the original group that most all Oneness Organizations INCLUDING the UPC are splits out of.

I am proud to be JESUS ONLY there simply is no other person in the Godhead.
I think its time we "Jesus Only" people be allowed to define what **WE** mean by that term just like **WE** define what we mean by "Holy Roller" or any of the other labels that were put on us intending to defame us that we have taken and redefined to the dismay of our detractors.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

I beg to differ with you most emphatically! I have been hearing this stuff for years, it mainly comes from a Jimmy Swaggart Pamphlet with the usual heavily inaccurate scholarship.

While there may indeed be people out there operating undere all kinds of labels and terminologies, JESUS ONLY IS and HAS BEEN the Motto of the ORIGINAL ONENESS ORGANIZATION The Pentecostal Assemblies of the World for decades and decades! They have NEVER even approximated any of the description that you have put forward here.

***I*** am "Jesus Only" and I most certainly do NOT ascribe to the description offerred above. Neither does the original group that most all Oneness Organizations INCLUDING the UPC are splits out of.

I am proud to be JESUS ONLY there simply is no other person in the Godhead.
I think its time we "Jesus Only" people be allowed to define what **WE** mean by that term just like **WE** define what we mean by "Holy Roller" or any of the other labels that were put on us intending to defame us that we have taken and redefined to the dismay of our detractors.

Amen to that, I believe in "Jesus only" as well, but just like "trinity", the term has been hijacked by purveyors of false doctrine. Both terms do accurately apply to God, but both terms are loaded which is why I prefer neither.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

I beg to differ with you most emphatically! I have been hearing this stuff for years, it mainly comes from a Jimmy Swaggart Pamphlet with the usual heavily inaccurate scholarship.

While there may indeed be people out there operating undere all kinds of labels and terminologies, JESUS ONLY IS and HAS BEEN the Motto of the ORIGINAL ONENESS ORGANIZATION The Pentecostal Assemblies of the World for decades and decades! They have NEVER even approximated any of the description that you have put forward here.

***I*** am "Jesus Only" and I most certainly do NOT ascribe to the description offerred above. Neither does the original group that most all Oneness Organizations INCLUDING the UPC are splits out of.

I am proud to be JESUS ONLY there simply is no other person in the Godhead.
I think its time we "Jesus Only" people be allowed to define what **WE** mean by that term just like **WE** define what we mean by "Holy Roller" or any of the other labels that were put on us intending to defame us that we have taken and redefined to the dismay of our detractors.

Calling ones self Jesus Only and following the "Jesus Only" movement are two different things though. If you are a Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal and you use the term Jesus Only you are different from the movement of "Jesus Only."
I am Jesus Only in the sense that I am a one God believer. How ever I believe that God is Triune in nature and thus is a Trinity. Us oneness people have been soooooo conditioned against anything to do with the baptismal formula of F,S,and HG that we almost hate the word. Fact is that many of our (UPCI) founding fathers and mothers believed in the Triune God. ***Do we need to repost the old PCI manual page talking about the Triune or Trinity of God?

Look we can say that we believe Jesus is God and the HG at the same time, but no one can deny there is a distinction in scripture between the F, S, and the HG. They are ALL the same person or being but there is different functions of each office. God is the creator(though God is Jesus) Jesus/Son is the saviour and the HG is the power to walk in the will of God and follow after Him. All from the same person, source, office what have you. But the solid fact is that God has many, many, many different modes or manifestations. Being Triune does not mean he can not be singular nor does it mean that he can not be Quaduine either. He is so far beyond what we as humans can comprehend that we just see Deut. 6:4 about being one God only which is totally true, but God is ALL in ALL..the wheel in the middle of the wheel. He is the first and the last--and everything in between. Again the fact is that God is Triune, Multi-une, or what have you cause He can and does take on many forms in order to reach humanity.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

I'd never concede to believing or calling anything related to the Godhead, trinity. His Name is One.

Tell me whats wrong scripturally, with the term Jesus only.

Tim,
I wouldn't argue over the term "Jesus Only."
Some OP's (Oneness Pentecostals) like the term and some don't.

I think it was Bro. Kenneth Reeves (I'm not sure of the name) in one of his books said that he was not "Jesus Only" but instead was "Lord Jesus Christ" only.

Bro. Andrew Urshan used the terms "triune" and "three-one" to describe God in his writings.

And, one of the OP organizations used the word "trinity" to describe God in their manual. That manual has been scanned and made available to this site but I can't find a copy of it right now.

The PAW used to use the term "Jesus Only" in their logo.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

I'd never concede to believing or calling anything related to the Godhead, trinity. His Name is One.

Tell me whats wrong scripturally, with the term Jesus only.

Nothing is wrong with the term, only the actual doctrine of "Jesus only" which prevails among a lot of churches in Appalachia(including snakehandlers), which claims that when Jesus died, God died and the Universe was without God for three days. They usually claim Jesus had to be a really big guy because He was God. There was a member of our Church who actually heard a minister say that at Jesus' Baptism, the voice from Heaven came from Jesus who simply "threw His voice" like a ventriloquist. This type of junk theology usually prevails among the "Apostolic Full Preterist"(like TK Burk who posts here regularly) crowd as well, which is why they believe that since the Body of Christ is the Church, Jesus' physical body that ascended into Heaven must have somehow dissapeared.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Nothing is wrong with the term, only the actual doctrine of "Jesus only" which prevails among a lot of churches in Appalachia(including snakehandlers), which claims that when Jesus died, God died and the Universe was without God for three days. They usually claim Jesus had to be a really big guy because He was God. There was a member of our Church who actually heard a minister say that at Jesus' Baptism, the voice from Heaven came from Jesus who simply "threw His voice" like a ventriloquist. This type of junk theology usually prevails among the "Apostolic Full Preterist"(like TK Burk who posts here regularly) crowd as well, which is why they believe that since the Body of Christ is the Church, Jesus' physical body that ascended into Heaven must have somehow dissapeared.

If we believe that Jesus is God then isn't that essentially what he did?


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