Apostolic Women...Apostolic Nuns...

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.

I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.

Me thinks you are watching too much TV and are developing a warped mindset. In the first sentence you tell us she is working with HIV positive patients which would clue me in that this woman is somebody uniquely special no matter what she is wearing.

Giving comfort and support to an HIV postive patient is most likely a more difficult and emotionally draining situation than just dealing with a person who isn't sick at the time. It must be gut wrenching.

Consider that the habit she wears isn't to convey that she is better than anyone else but rather it identifies her with a group whose values and mission she embraces.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Newman

Me thinks you are watching too much TV and are developing a warped mindset. In the first sentence you tell us she is working with HIV positive patients which would clue me in that this woman is somebody uniquely special no matter what she is wearing.

Giving comfort and support to an HIV postive patient is most likely a more difficult and emotionally draining situation than just dealing with a person who isn't sick at the time. It must be gut wrenching.

Consider that the habit she wears isn't to convey that she is better than anyone else but rather it identifies her with a group whose values and mission she embraces.

You are absolutely right, my respect for her reaches to the moon. But then again, so what, they are only good works with no redemptive or salvific merit in the grand scheme of things....right?

I found out today that she is of the same sect as Mother Theresa.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.

I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.

I then considered the pretty outrageous thought (the class is rather boring), Apostolic women are the representation of the Apostolic (or more specifically the UPC) nuns considering the expectations of the church on the women!

Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?

It is too funny and interesting a contrast and comparison to just let go by, so I had to present it to you people.

I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too.

I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!!

Maybe it due to no fashion sense. One can't go wrong wearing black....

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?

Why more nuns than priests and monks? Just a guess. But the requirement of celibacy may be harder on men given their testosterone levels; especially since the decision is usually made in one's youth.

Could be more Apostolic women are active in church (if true) because more men work full time + some and thus have greater time constraints.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Newman

Why more nuns than priests and monks? Just a guess. But the requirement of celibacy may be harder on men given their testosterone levels; especially since the decision is usually made in one's youth.

Could be more Apostolic women are active in church (if true) because more men work full time + some and thus have greater time constraints.

I don't believe any of these are legitmate excuses or justifications for men not stepping up to the plate in spiritual matters. It is just as difficult for women to be celibate, and today men and women are in the workplace and women not only particate in secular work but carry the majority of household chores also.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I don't believe any of these are legitmate excuses or justifications for men not stepping up to the plate in spiritual matters. It is just as difficult for women to be celibate, and today men and women are in the workplace and women not only particate in secular work but carry the majority of household chores also.

1. Sorry but I know you know that young women don't think about sex nearly so much as young men driven to distraction by testosterone. I also mentioned that a person is frequently young when they make a choice to go in the direction of a priest or nun.

2. Active in the church includes making peanut brittle and food for after the funerals. Although many Apostolic women work outside the home; few put in the same hours working as their husbands. Many more women have chosen to sacrafice much to be at home with the kids and have more flexibility with their schedules than their husbands do.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. Sorry but I know you know that young women don't think about sex nearly so much as young men driven to distraction by testosterone. I also mentioned that a person is frequently young when they make a choice to go in the direction of a priest or nun.

2. Active in the church includes making peanut brittle and food for after the funerals. Although many Apostolic women work outside the home; few put in the same hours working as their husbands. Many more women have chosen to sacrafice much to be at home with the kids and have more flexibility with their schedules than their husbands do.

I guess many Apostolic women who are in intact marriages are allowed the privilege of working less or not at all, but it has been my experience and observation that even Apostolic women work full time jobs outside the homes. Rarely do I see men who work many more hours than their spouses. But regardless, women have always seemed to put more time into church activities and family responsibilities.

It may be that women tend to be more 'spiritual' than men because men are concentrating on other areas of their lives. Maybe this is the reason Paul admonishes men to be single as he was.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

It may be that women tend to be more 'spiritual' than men because men are concentrating on other areas of their lives. Maybe this is the reason Paul admonishes men to be single as he was.

Blessings, Rhoni

Rhoni, please. This is such an old line of thinking on your part. You have become so anti-male its predictable.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am sitting through a week long class and in this class is a nun who works with HIV positive patients.

I watch this woman pretty much all day from across the table. She wears her habit, her long flowing cotton robes and she has a very pecular countenance. One could say she is plainfaced, chaste, humble, non-assuming, yet at the same time, she wears all these things with a certain panache that communicates...I am a nun, I am plainface, chaste, humble and non-assuming having given my life to God...and you are not.

I then considered the pretty outrageous thought (the class is rather boring), Apostolic women are the representation of the Apostolic (or more specifically the UPC) nuns considering the expectations of the church on the women!

Ask yourself, why are there more nuns than priests, why aren't monks as prolific as nuns, and why is it that there are more women active in the A-church (from a perspective of buy-in) than men?

It is too funny and interesting a contrast and comparison to just let go by, so I had to present it to you people.

I also had an epiphany that we have embraced the Catholic tradition of calling each other "Brother and Sister" too.

I love hanging around Catholics, so much clarity it brings forth !!!!!

There are more women in ALL churches so there are more women active in ALL churches, not just the Apostolic churches. Catholics don't call each other brothers and sisters, only those who are "in the ministry" do that and then only certain ones as it is a title like reverend or pastor is in other religions.

I don't know if Catholic nuns do not all shun makeup and none of them wear uncut hair. They also don't all wear skirts only. That is a uniform they wear and often they have very short hair undreneath that "veil" they wear...perhaps that is because they are vestal virgins of old absorbed by the Roman church.

Ask her next time if when she is not on duty or if she is ever out in street clothes if she wears any amount of makeup or jewelry

[Coonskinner]

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Who would "them" be if not the world?

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