I missed the rapture?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Concerning those who arose with Jesus, I posted this in January also....

TK

I think I got this, I was looking for this passage in Matthew 27 a couple of days ago. Thanks

I understand that the dead that arose, arose after his resurection and not at the time of his death. The question as to whether they arose when he arose or at 70AD does not matter to me they were the first part of the first resurection as far as I can see. And that settles it. I just find it great that as I have been studing this out this month that this post comes to confirm what God is showing me concerning the resurection. Which also confirms what I am seeing lately concering Rev. being completly fulfilled. In my mind it is so elimentery that it does not take a bible scholor to figure it out. It is just that we are so wrapped up in the traditions and teachings that we are raised with we cant see the forest for the trees.

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Originally Posted by jmarkoa

Thank you TK, I do appreciate your patience with me.

First, Mike, this was quite funny! I like this site because of the good attitude, everyone can talk about their views and have fun at the same time!

Amen!

Also Mike, I still don't really understand the first part of what you believe, that part you share with the full preterist, the stuff that happened in 70AD, and where you draw the line as to where we are in the book of Revelation.

It's actually all on my site. But I believe we're at the point in time that is partway through Rev 20 before the white throne. Full preterists believe all of Rev is fulfilled. So where I differ with full preterism is that I believe there is a future physical resurrection and that Jesus will physically and visibly return again. They do not believe that. I believe satan will be banished from the earth along with sin and anyone who is a sinner. They do not believe that.

Plus, I have yet to see anyone talk about the scriptures in light of the actual historical event. I'm starting to get the impression that once you accept the time line, there is no need to understand how the event shed new light on the scriptures. Bur rather, the new thinking changes much of the literal events written in Revelation into symbolism and allegories. This is only my view of how I think you view much of Revelation. For some reason, I am just not quite getting it...

Actually, look at it this way. Revelation is so full of symbolism and it does not interpret so much of the symbols, that we have to realize it can only be saying this: It is a symbolic picture of everything the Lord and apostles taught about. There is nothing in revelation that is not taught somewhere else in plain manner in the rest of the bible. If we start to take visions and interpret them in ways the apostles and the Lord never taught anything about, we are in error.

That being said, I really believe the view I have taken is the correct one.

TK and Mike, I guess this whole question is really just way too big. There are so many things that we could talk about, so lets just try focusing on one small set of scriptures at a time. Hopefully this will help.

And, let me clear up something I probably said wrong about the time thing. I was referring to the thousand years in Revelation 20:2-5. Lets try to just focus on these four scriptures for a while. Do we all agree that this thousand years is a real time frame, because it is stated quite differently than that of Psalms 90:4, Ecclesiastes 6:6, and 2 Peter 3:8?

Do we also all agree that at the end of verse 4 where it says, "...they lived and reigned with Christ..." that this is a real life event? Where that we will be kings and priests with Christ, and be in a real physical form and sit down and eat together, just as the disciples ate together at the last supper?

I believe the only thrones we will sit on are spiritual and we are on them now. Some folks do not believe anything is real unless it is physical. But Eph 2:5-6 says we are seated with Christ now on the throne. The Kingdom is now. It is not physical. Never will be.

Mike!

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen!

I believe the only thrones we will sit on are spiritual and we are on them now. Some folks do not believe anything is real unless it is physical. But Eph 2:5-6 says we are seated with Christ now on the throne. The Kingdom is now. It is not physical. Never will be.

Mike!

Exactly
but I do have one question in your opinion what is heaven like? When do we get there?

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Exactly
but I do have one question in your opinion what is heaven like? When do we get there?

The Bible does not say much about what "Heaven" is like. Most think the references Jesus made saying, "The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto..." are talking about Heaven. No. They are talking about the Kingdom that exists right now in the earth since the day of Pentecost, and not the place we go to after we die.

We go to Heaven when we leave our bodies at physical death. It is not a physical place. I would say it is more a spiritual dimension. That is all I can say about it.