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06-17-2007, 11:40 PM
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Jesus did not inherit sin. Inheritance of sin is a spiritual issue. Since sin is handed down through Adam's race due to Adam's sin, the HEADSHIP is the avenue of sin's route to us today. We all had HUMAN fathers. And FATHERS are the head, spiritually speaking. Because God was the Son's Father, then Jesus did not inherit sin.
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06-18-2007, 02:13 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched ,with the feeling of our infirmities ,but was in all points tempted as we are ,yet without sin.HEBREWS.4:15
We know that Jesus Christ was the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth ,as well as being God manifest in the flesh.
We know that He was borned of a virgin ,and did not have a fallen Adamic nature ,yet He was tempted in all points like as we are yet He didn't sin.
But did Jesus Christ in His humanity have the ability or potential to sin ,had He chosen to ?
What say ye did Jesus Christ have the ability to commit sin ?
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Jesus lacked an inherited sin, because He is the Son of God not the son of Adam. Without the sin virus He had no inclination to sin.
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06-18-2007, 08:17 AM
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Jesus lacked an inherited sin, because He is the Son of God not the son of Adam. Without the sin virus He had no inclination to sin.
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Call the law we agree.
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06-18-2007, 08:41 AM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Sure He could have. Why would He be tempted if He could not sin. Why did the Devil try and tempt Him? The reason that He did not fall into sin or bow to satan is because He said, "it is written." That was enough for Jesus to resist sin. Would He have sinned, No! But could He, sure. He is God He could do anything he wanted.
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06-18-2007, 08:43 AM
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Sure He could have. Why would He be tempted if He could not sin. Why did the Devil try and tempt Him? The reason that He did not fall into sin or bow to satan is because He said, "it is written." That was enough for Jesus to resist sin. Would He have sinned, No! But could He, sure. He is God He could do anything he wanted.
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AS God he cannot be tempted with sin. As HUMAN he was tempted from WITHOUT not WITHIN. He had NO lusts. John said "IN HIM is NO sin." 1Jn.3:5
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06-18-2007, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
AS God he cannot be tempted with sin. As HUMAN he was tempted from WITHOUT not WITHIN. He had NO lusts. John said "IN HIM is NO sin." 1Jn.3:5
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Having no sin is not the same thing as having no lusts, brother. We can have lusts but we do not have to fulfill those lusts. If Jesus was tempted, he was tempted, period. Whether it is from without or within, it does not matter. Something sinfiul appealed to Jesus in order for Him to be tempted. Otherwise, He flat-out was not tempted at all.
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Gal 5:16 KJV This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
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Jesus did this and was without sin.
If Jesus was tempted, then this passage applies to His flesh:
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Jam 1:14 KJV But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
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James 1:14 says EVERY MAN. Was Christ a man? Yes. And when EVERY MAN is tempted it is because something in his flesh is enticed to sin.
He did not sin because He was walking in the Spirit ALL THE TIME.
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06-18-2007, 09:56 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
Sure He could have. Why would He be tempted if He could not sin. Why did the Devil try and tempt Him? The reason that He did not fall into sin or bow to satan is because He said, "it is written." That was enough for Jesus to resist sin. Would He have sinned, No! But could He, sure. He is God He could do anything he wanted.
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He was exposed to the same temptations as us, however He did not have the blood of Joseph in His veins. Therefore, He could not sin, not because His flesh was not (technically) capable of sin, rather because there was no sin in Him. He was fully submitted to the Father, and in that state it was impossible for Him to actually sin. Likewise when we have been born again, and are fully submitted to God, neither can we sin. However, our flesh is scarred and stained by sin, so it takes a lifetime and sometimes more for us to become without spot or blemish. "...when we see Him we will be like Him." Methinks most if not all of us will not be spotless until we "see Him".
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06-18-2007, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
He was exposed to the same temptations as us, however He did not have the blood of Joseph in His veins. Therefore, He could not sin, not because His flesh was not (technically) capable of sin, rather because there was no sin in Him. He was fully submitted to the Father, and in that state it was impossible for Him to actually sin. Likewise when we have been born again, and are fully submitted to God, neither can we sin. However, our flesh is scarred and stained by sin, so it takes a lifetime and sometimes more for us to become without spot or blemish. "...when we see Him we will be like Him." Methinks most if not all of us will not be spotless until we "see Him".
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Again like a broke clock twice in one day we agree.
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06-18-2007, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
AS God he cannot be tempted with sin. As HUMAN he was tempted from WITHOUT not WITHIN. He had NO lusts. John said "IN HIM is NO sin." 1Jn.3:5
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Originally Posted by crakjak
He was exposed to the same temptations as us, however He did not have the blood of Joseph in His veins. Therefore, He could not sin, not because His flesh was not (technically) capable of sin, rather because there was no sin in Him. He was fully submitted to the Father, and in that state it was impossible for Him to actually sin. Likewise when we have been born again, and are fully submitted to God, neither can we sin. However, our flesh is scarred and stained by sin, so it takes a lifetime and sometimes more for us to become without spot or blemish. "...when we see Him we will be like Him." Methinks most if not all of us will not be spotless until we "see Him".
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Guys....He is God he could do what ever He wanted to do. Sin included. He would never sin, but in the flesh he could do whatever he wanted to. Because Adam had the blood of God in him and He sinned. Jesus is the second Adam so He could have sinned too.
I can not believe there is even a debate on this. It is soooo evident that Jesus/God in flesh could do everything. If the Bible is correct and Jesus was tempted the same as we then there was plenty of chances to sin, but He knew Adam sinned so He made up in His spirit that He would not. One of the main reasons He came here was to show us the way to heaven. Holy living.
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06-18-2007, 09:59 AM
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Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
He did not sin because He was walking in the Spirit ALL THE TIME.
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