Tithing…Is it a command?

[Godsdrummer]

Too many times we gloss over true study of subjects in scripture because we tend to let the so called man of God tell us what the word says. This has been the down fall of Christianity from about the 4th century when the Roman church became the translator and authority on scripture.

I believe that tithe did and does have a anti-type to the Christian today, just not in the way we seem to see it.
The tithe under the law was to be the first fruits, the best one had was God's. This was brought to the tabernacle/temple and given to the priest. This did not preclude offering, much of the offerings brought to the priest were shared by the priest. Many times parts were burnt and parts were for the priest. this was how the priest lived. The tithe of the grain was to be stored for the needy and poor and homeless and priest.

The priest and priesthood was the type of Christ our high priest. So when Christ became our high priest he also did away with the type from the OT. This means that the offerings and tithes brought in to support the OT priest was fulfilled in Christ.
This brings us to providing for the homeless, needy, etc. The early church set the example in giving all they had and setting it at the apostles feet that no one had need of anything. They all shared together. They had all things common. There were no paid ministers. Even Paul supported himself. Further there were no church buildings they met either in the synagogues or homes.
It was not until the advent of renting or owning buildings that and having a paid minister that the need for an church income was needed. Hence the instatement of offerings and tithes.
Oh and before I forget, what is the anti-type of tithes in the New Testament? Our giving of ourselves as a living sacrifice to God, which is our reasonable service. That is bringing our best to God.

This is my view anyway.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Too many times we gloss over true study of subjects in scripture because we tend to let the so called man of God tell us what the word says.

AMEN!!!!!


A true man of God would seek truth instead of keeping tradition and be willing to change if truth was presented to him.

[Rudy]

Russel Kelly on first fruits.

Point #9: First-Fruits: First-fruits are Not the Same as Tithes. (Chapter 1)

The false assumption is that tithes are first-fruits.

The first-fruit was a very small token amount of the first crop harvest and the first-born was the first offspring of animals. First-fruits and first-born could only come from inside God’s holy land of Israel.

The first-fruit was small enough to fit into a hand-held basket (Deu 26:1-10; Lev 23:17; Num 18:13-17; Neh 12:44; 2 Chron 31:5a).

First-fruits and first-born offerings went directly to the Temple and were required to be totally consumed by ministering priests only inside the Temple (Neh 10:35-37a; Ex 23:19; 34:26; Deu 18:4).The whole Levitical tithe went first to the Levitical cities and portions went to the Temple to feed both Levites and priests who were ministering there in rotation (Neh 10:37b-39; 12:27-29, 44-47; Num 18:21-28; 2 Chron 31:5b). While the Levites ate only the tithe, the priests could also eat from the first-fruits, first-born offerings and other offerings.

[UnTraditional]

I would like to know if any of the anti-tithers on this thread are under any kind of pastoral leadership? Do you who talk against tithing also come against sitting under a man of God? I know that is the pattern in many anti-tithe lives, to be against any God given authority, and to be against church buildings, and to be against leadership as well.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I would like to know if any of the anti-tithers on this thread are under any kind of pastoral leadership? Do you who talk against tithing also come against sitting under a man of God? I know that is the pattern in many anti-tithe lives, to be against any God given authority, and to be against church buildings, and to be against leadership as well.

Brother, many folks these days that attend church do not tithe. The 'man of God' just marginalizes them until he can fleece them out of their livelihood. He is no more of a Man of God than the next teacher of false doctrine. Men of God dont lie to the congregation. I would say he is just a more educated EQUAL to the rest of the saints. If he will shed this and any other false doctrines, like TITHING, GAP THEORY, PARTIAL LAW FOR THE SAINTS, USING COUNTERFEIT BIBLES(the latest translations with ENTIRE missing passages) or ANGEL BABIES(women having sex with demons resulting in giants) of Genesis etc. etc., he can actually become an official elder to the church. I will not be under the authority of a LIAR(false teacher).
Brother, If you dont mind having to plug your ears from time to time and choose blind obedience...well, to each his own.


How a man lives AND what he teaches gives him the "man of God" status...

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, many folks these days that attend church do not tithe. The 'man of God' just marginalizes them until he can fleece them out of their livelihood. He is no more of a Man of God than the next teacher of false doctrine. Men of God dont lie to the congregation. I would say he is just a more educated EQUAL to the rest of the saints. If he will shed this and any other false doctrines, like TITHING, GAP THEORY, PARTIAL LAW FOR THE SAINTS, USING COUNTERFEIT BIBLES(the latest translations with ENTIRE missing passages) or ANGEL BABIES(women having sex with demons resulting in giants) of Genesis etc. etc., he can actually become an official elder to the church. I will not be under the authority of a LIAR(false teacher).
Brother, If you dont mind having to plug your ears from time to time and choose blind obedience...well, to each his own.


How a man lives AND what he teaches gives him the "man of God" status...

WOW I am amazed at how you have all the perfect doctrines.
I must bow down to your superior knowledge of the scriptures.
All your doctrines are pristine clear and true, how did I not see it before.

I too will not be under the authority of a LIAR(false teacher).
please allow me to become your disciple and learn the total truth from your wise lips.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

I would like to know if any of the anti-tithers on this thread are under any kind of pastoral leadership? Do you who talk against tithing also come against sitting under a man of God? I know that is the pattern in many anti-tithe lives, to be against any God given authority, and to be against church buildings, and to be against leadership as well.

The early church was overseen by a plurality of elders. We are accountable to each other. The role of pastor is a position of servant-hood, not a high priest or a surrogate/pope.

Not against buildings here.

I don't know anyone who is against someone tithing their money. You know it is about twisting scripture out of context and scaring people into submission--pay up or reap horror in your lives.

UT they are telling the sick, and dieing to pay up. You see anything wrong with that?

[Sean]

Well, If you teach the junk I mentioned, then just fix it. Its not hard to reeducate yourself in the truth.(unless you are under peer pressure). I dont just sit there and AMEN someone teaching unbiblical doctrines. I go home and research it to see if it is Biblically correct or just theory...

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, If you teach the junk I mentioned, then just fix it. Its not hard to reeducate yourself in the truth.(unless you are under peer pressure). I dont just sit there and AMEN someone teaching unbiblical doctrines. I go home and research it to see if it is Biblically correct or just theory...

Here is my response

Well, If you teach the junk You mentioned, then just fix it. Its not hard to reeducate yourself in the truth.(unless you are under peer pressure). I dont just sit there and AMEN someone teaching unbiblical doctrines. I go home and research it to see if it is Biblically correct or just theory...

Hey what do you know, the cut and paste function is useful after all.

[shag]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Here is my response

Well, If you teach the junk You mentioned, then just fix it. Its not hard to reeducate yourself in the truth.(unless you are under peer pressure). I dont just sit there and AMEN someone teaching unbiblical doctrines. I go home and research it to see if it is Biblically correct or just theory...

Hey what do you know, the cut and paste function is useful after all.

Flame,
When are u going to explain who explained and where tithing was explained to the Gentiles engrafted in, from scripture, and who all has the right to receive it and who all should pay it according to scripture? (not to mention where the year of jubilee no tithing) . Please explain EXACTLY how it all goes down, because Paul somehow forgot too.