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Old 03-15-2007, 04:26 PM
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In our church we were never taught that we couldn't trim our hair. It was not a subject that was preached on ever, really. We were taght in Bible studies that a woman should have long hair. People had differeing opinions on the subject of trimming. I always did trim my hair. We have many black women in our church (one being my DIL) who perm, trim and put alot of prducts in their haier to keep it managable.

I have a friend who listened to some tapes by a well known preacher who preached on women's standards. She decided when listening to these tapes that she would no longer trim her hair. After she made that decision she started to feel a feeling of bondage. It got worse and she studied scripture and then she decided to trim her hair again. She said the bondage was removed immediately. She felt God was telling her that this teaching was one of bondage and biblically incorrect.

I have to tell you- I detest that term. Whenever I hear folk tout 'bondage' due to dress preferences set by their pastor- I cringe. I do not feel that I in bondage- not in the least, by ANY of the standards that I keep.

It's difficult to dicipher my feelings right now. When you have been taught something is wrong and salvational allllll of your life, and then, over time you see some of the same men that were against it, discount it because someone gets 'headaches' and such...it makes me leery if it ever was salvic to begin with. I have honored the wishes of my parents and my pastors, in regards to the uncut hair doctrine. Where I am struggling is, the reality of the ones I love being lost because they have chosen to cut theirs. It breaks my heart to think of anyone being lost for eternity, and I just want ASSURANCE from God that all is well. I'm not getting it in prayer, and I am sad beyond words.

Has anyone else been in this situation before that can maybe PM me with some encouragement in this situation??? I am sincerely NOT pointing fingers at anyone. Like I said- I have friends who have cut hair, and I don't think twice about it- but, this is my child- and I am confused, and sad. ANd I have to wonder WHY the difference? Why am I not sad for my friends?

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Old 03-15-2007, 04:42 PM
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If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...

Any input??????
We had a thread started with almost the same question you ask here.

I asked at that time ....... "Why do women cut their hair? Is it because they are consciously and deliberately wanting to be rebellious - to be disobedient - to disrespect and dishonour God and their husbands?"

I personally think not - not in most cases anyhow.

The conscience IS definitely formed to a large extent around how and what a person has been taught so unless you're absolutely sure of what Scripture is teaching and have a strong conviction that haircutting is not a sin nor is it displeasing to the Lord then you are very apt to feel the sting of conscience.

There IS a difference between conscience and conviction.

Just a few quick thots ...... BUT..... I am not going to tell ANY woman they should or ought cut their hair. I will tell them if I feel it's wisdom my understanding and knowledge of Scripture and what I feel Paul was teaching in its proper context and in the custom and culture of that day.
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Old 03-15-2007, 04:48 PM
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We had a thread started with almost the same question you ask here.

I asked at that time ....... "Why do women cut their hair? Is it because they are consciously and deliberately wanting to be rebellious - to be disobedient - to disrespect and dishonour God and their husbands?"

I personally think not - not in most cases anyhow.

The conscience IS definitely formed to a large extent around how and what a person has been taught so unless you're absolutely sure of what Scripture is teaching and have a strong conviction that haircutting is not a sin nor is it displeasing to the Lord then you are very apt to feel the sting of conscience.

There IS a difference between conscience and conviction.

Just a few quick thots ...... BUT..... I am not going to tell ANY woman they should or ought cut their hair. I will tell them if I feel it's wisdom my understanding and knowledge of Scripture and what I feel Paul was teaching in its proper context and in the custom and culture of that day.

My apologies, I should have done some research before starting the thread. I was fresh out of my prayer time, and still feeling the heaviness of a burden, and posted without deep thought.

Thank you so much for your response- as usual, you make sense.
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:10 PM
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My apologies, I should have done some research before starting the thread. I was fresh out of my prayer time, and still feeling the heaviness of a burden, and posted without deep thought.

Thank you so much for your response- as usual, you make sense.
Sorry Annie. I posted in a hurry and slightly distracted from work. The thread I referred to in my post was started on NFCF. Not on this forum.

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The question remains- Is coloring your hair a different color different than cutting it?

Is this a lie, for you are now presenting something not true?
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Old 03-16-2007, 01:08 AM
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The question remains- Is coloring your hair a different color different than cutting it?

Is this a lie, for you are now presenting something not true?
Same thing if you use a tinted cover up of some type to hide a pimple. Silly example you might say BUT ....... I can think of other examples also that are all about aesthetics.

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Old 03-16-2007, 01:09 AM
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The question remains- Is coloring your hair a different color different than cutting it?

Is this a lie, for you are now presenting something not true?

Sure, just the same as men or women who wear slimming outfits to make it appear they are thinner than they really are, wear perfume or cologne or wear deodorant as to cover up how they really smell, and people who wear contacts instead of glasses so people won't know they are sight challenged in some degree!
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Old 03-16-2007, 06:17 AM
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If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...

Any input??????
When something has been taught to you for many years as a sin, it is inevitable that you will wrestle with even trimming your hair to make it healthier and able in some cases to even grow longer. I have had to help women deal with the sense of lingering guilt that tends to hang on even after someone has accepted that the Bible does not teach that it is a sin. I wish preachers would take time to Scripturally identify what is called sin versus what they have labelled sin. It would certainly make for a healthier walk with God for most women.

I liken this guilt issue to how I used to feel growing up with no TV. Our church preached it was a sin, and my parents did not have one all the years their children were still at home. However, my sister who lived across the street had one so we would go there some evenings to watch Rawhide and other family viewing shows. I never felt one bit convicted about doing so while watching TV. It was only when my father would ask where I had been that I felt any guilt. Or when I went to church and the pastor preached against it, I would once again feel condemnation. I finally came to the conclusion that it wasn't God who was convicting me, but man and discovered for myself that TV in itself is not a sin.

When women figure this out in regards to hair, they get over the condemnation of man and live as unto the Lord and enjoy the blessings of a pure conscience. You don't have to have uncut hair to be in Christ, but you do to be in some churches, so a person has to decide whether they are going to accept the hair issue as a sin issue or not. If their pastor teaches against it, they have a responsibility to live up to his requirements if they consider themselves an active member of his church. Otherwise they need to find a church where it is not an issue.

Since you say you believe the uncut hair teaching, then of course you will experience guilt associated with you violating your conscience, or uneasy when someone else commits what you see as sinful.
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