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02-11-2009, 11:01 AM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by Kae
Malnutrition causes obesity. The body thinks you are fasting and starts storing up fat. It is hard to find nutrient rich foods these days.
People a hundred years ago ate about 5lbs of sugar a year. Today people eat 150lbs a year.
Calories don't matter as long as they are nutrient rich. You need nutrients to exercise, very difficult to do without energy.
An athlete just thinks about exercise and he starts to lose weight. An average person has to do 15 minutes before the body will start burning fat. A person that is seditary will take 30 to 45 minutes of exercise before their bodies will begin to burn fat.
When you start adding more nutrient rich foods to your diet it will first go to the most serious health issues before it will go to the weight loss.
Drink a gallon of water a day (work up to it) and it will flush out toxic water from the body which will result in quick weight loss that isn't harmful.
You didn't get their overnight and it isn't a quick fix, no matter how many diets come out proclaiming otherwise.
Some obese people have been that way since they were young. We need to stop badgering people and telling them it is just a matter of self control. It is a matter of knowledge.
Sugar is poison to the body and will cause you to eat things you normally wouldn't touch with a clear mind.
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Excellent post... thanks for sharing.
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02-11-2009, 01:31 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by Kae
Malnutrition causes obesity...
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Yes, partially. Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Kae
It is hard to find nutrient rich foods these days.
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What?
Does your groccery store have a produce section? Does it sell whole wheat bread? Do you understand what one serving means?
But seriously, I would agree that this condition usually comes from a perfect storm of misunderstanding, a resulting poor diet and imbalanced portioning... But then there are those that know and they just choose not to do anything about it. Just like any other bad decision. How many people don't know that eating pizza and burgers all the time and passing over salads with low fat dressing will make your body bulge? How many don't know that eating when you're not truly hungry or past the full alert is going to lead to caloric storage. Seriously... "My people die for lack of knowledge."
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12-18-2008, 06:54 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
With obesity considered the #1 health epidemic in America, causing irrepairable damage to the human body (our temple), how should we as Christians approach this subject? I was told as a new convert, take care of your temple (body). Be moderate. Have temperance (have self-control).
Repent of things that destroy and be a good example.
Obesity is proven to cause diabetes, heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, cancer; and the list goes on.
We tell folks to quit smoking because of the dangerous side affects caused by this unhealthy habit. Are we able to take this stand if we accept the "overweight" issue by looking the other way?
I've seen many preachers "joke" away at this subject to calm the air of thier obvious lack of self-control in this area. In reality, being fat is not funny, it's unhealthy. I've watched them preach strong and hard to live holy; Live holy? I guess I'm a little confused here, as holiness covers our physical and spiritual being.
Don't mean to offend here, just stating the facts of how the lost may (are) looking at our ability to justify gluttony. In past churches I've attended, visitors were very suprised at the amount of overweight people on the pews. I'm not just talking about a few pounds either; 100 or more.
I have many good friends who are big. One of them is 400 pounds and he is only 40. He laughs now, but in the next few years laughter will turn to tears.
I do believe mercy plays a role in this somewhere. But, where do we draw the line? How far do we go? Will the church simply end up "full" of the sick because we can't push the plate away or get off the couch?
The prayer line would shrink and we would feel better if we would learn the blessing of proper diet and exercise.
If you are overweight and are reading this, please, I have compassion on your dilema. We have great abundance in this Country and many convienences that now take away the "task" where calories were once burned. There is hope, though. Find people who enjoy getting out, who have the same desire as you to shed the pounds and get in shape.
People can revolutionize thier existence by good old fashioned discipline and motivation. Not only will you feel better, people will notice you care about yourself and your Light will shine with new vigor. The doctor will be stunned when you show up to your next appointment with normal blood pressure and no more need for "PILLS".
  
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I've often wondered about this.
I was raised to believe that smoking was a sin that would send one to hell.
However, as I grew older, and began to reason some things out for myself, I realized that that argument was faulty, unless we could classify overeating as a sin, as well.
I realize that smoking is an entirely needless habit, but so is eating fast food.
I agree with others that obesity is not necessarily caused by overeating, there are people with thyroid problems, etc.
But, if a person is obese because they over eat, and they put their bodies at risk willingly with the wrong foods and/or wrong amounts of food, what's the difference in that or smoking a cigarette?
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12-18-2008, 06:58 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by Refugee
I've often wondered about this.
I was raised to believe that smoking was a sin that would send one to hell.
However, as I grew older, and began to reason some things out for myself, I realized that that argument was faulty, unless we could classify overeating as a sin, as well.
I realize that smoking is an entirely needless habit, but so is eating fast food.
I agree with others that obesity is not necessarily caused by overeating, there are people with thyroid problems, etc.
But, if a person is obese because they over eat, and they put their bodies at risk willingly with the wrong foods and/or wrong amounts of food, what's the difference in that or smoking a cigarette?
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There's not a huge difference. Most will agree. We should keep our bodies healthy. Of course one's standard of "healthy" will vary. But in general, we should strive to be healthy. Cigarette smoking is pretty intentional and is not paired or coupled with something we do of necessity... like eat.
Eating fast food is okay now and then... then you get into poor people who can't afford much for eating. Or students who have little money and have to practically live on fast food, which basically are conveniences in our world today. Hmmm... I think everyone could leave this discussion confidence that we should care for ourselves and tend to our health with diligence.
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12-18-2008, 07:04 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by 2020Vision
There's not a huge difference. Most will agree. We should keep our bodies healthy. Of course one's standard of "healthy" will vary. But in general, we should strive to be healthy. Cigarette smoking is pretty intentional and is not paired or coupled with something we do of necessity... like eat.
Eating fast food is okay now and then... then you get into poor people who can't afford much for eating. Or students who have little money and have to practically live on fast food, which basically are conveniences in our world today. Hmmm... I think everyone could leave this discussion confidence that we should care for ourselves and tend to our health with diligence.
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I agree with you, smoking is entirely intentional, and has no nutritional value, whatsoever.
And, I'm not one of those people who consider every overweight person lost, or a hypocrite, lol.
And, I also realize that in America, it's extremely difficult to maintain a balanced and nutritious diet - it's disheartening sometimes to try to shop for healthy things in the local supermarket, even the so called healthy products contain massive amounts of sugar, sodium, artificial preservatives, etc.
Couple that with the largely sedentary lifestyle of most Americans, and it's rare to find people that are perfectly healthy.
But, I do think that maybe we've done folks a small disservice by not stressing the importance of physical health in the grand scheme of "living life, and that more abundantly".
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12-18-2008, 07:12 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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But, I do think that maybe we've done folks a small disservice by not stressing the importance of physical health in the grand scheme of "living life, and that more abundantly".[/QUOTE]
Completely Agree.
haha But I can see it now. Some churches that have no balance, inviting Richard Simmons out to tell us how to be "godly" lol
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12-18-2008, 07:16 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
[QUOTE=2020Vision;662203]
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But, I do think that maybe we've done folks a small disservice by not stressing the importance of physical health in the grand scheme of "living life, and that more abundantly".[/QUOTE]
Completely Agree.
haha But I can see it now. Some churches that have no balance, inviting Richard Simmons out to tell us how to be "godly" lol
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I think some folks think "Sweatin' to the Oldies" means running the aisles to "I'll Fly Away"!
Which, at least many Apostolic churches still allow dancing and running the aisles, at least folks are getting some exercise!
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12-18-2008, 07:13 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by Refugee
I agree with you, smoking is entirely intentional, and has no nutritional value, whatsoever.
And, I'm not one of those people who consider every overweight person lost, or a hypocrite, lol.
And, I also realize that in America, it's extremely difficult to maintain a balanced and nutritious diet - it's disheartening sometimes to try to shop for healthy things in the local supermarket, even the so called healthy products contain massive amounts of sugar, sodium, artificial preservatives, etc.
Couple that with the largely sedentary lifestyle of most Americans, and it's rare to find people that are perfectly healthy.
But, I do think that maybe we've done folks a small disservice by not stressing the importance of physical health in the grand scheme of "living life, and that more abundantly".
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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12-18-2008, 08:38 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
Yes, fat people are going to hell.
BTW, some of you need to do a study on gluttony so you can understand the definition.
Hint: It's not the mere act of overeating.
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12-18-2008, 08:39 PM
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Re: Is Obesity a Sin?
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
Yes, fat people are going to hell.
BTW, some of you need to do a study on gluttony so you can understand the definition.
Hint: It's not the mere act of overeating.
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And, where did you read that anyone said fat people are going to hell?
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