Apostolic girls and sports - Page 6

*AQuietPlace* · #1 04-30-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I hope you understand I was being completely sarcastic.

And I do know people in my distant past who would have phrased it EXACTLY the way I did.

I knew. I was being facetious also.

Praxeas · #2 04-29-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Renee29

For those of you that consider yourself moderates, do you allow your daughters to play sports (softball, soccer etc) and wear the team uniform? My husband and I differ in this area. Please explain your reasoning either way.

Yes but we always insist they wear a long skirt under their uniform

KWSS1976 · #3 04-30-2009, 08:29 AM

Don't get me started LOL...

MissBrattified · #4 04-30-2009, 08:36 AM

I agree with the principles of gender distinction. But I don't believe in twisting scripture to get it to say something it does NOT in order to support that idea. I don't need to lie about what scripture says in order to say I think feminine clothes are ideal for a woman.

Additionally, it's interesting that the only item of clothing seen as pertaining to a man (usually) is pants. Really? What about tube socks? Clunky shoes with shoe strings? Button down shirts with stiff collars? Suit jackets? Are there neutral items of clothing that either gender can wear? And if there are exceedingly strict rules, why aren't they mentioned in scripture--scripture which was plain enough to tell people what types of fabrics they could mix.

The TRUTH is, what type of clothing is feminine or masculine is largely cultural and ever-changing, and because of those two factors, must be left up to the individual saint to determine. The local church can also offer guidance in this area.

*mumbles something about teaching for doctrines the commandments of men*

KWSS1976 · #5 04-30-2009, 08:42 AM

I agree if people would just forget what they have been taught sometimes all there lives and read the bible they would see things diffrently..I don't think god is judging on what we wear and don't wear..

KWSS1976 · #6 04-30-2009, 08:48 AM

Narrow is the way when you go to the hospital and have to have a life or death surgery and they have to put that "less than modest" hospital gown on you I guess you will not make it to heaven if you were to pass away,cause I promise you will not be in anything you consider modest.....especially if they try to revive you..So you might want to study that portion of scripture again....

Sister Alvear · #7 04-30-2009, 11:50 AM

ALL women please go back to the caves...

Jermyn Davidson · #8 04-30-2009, 01:15 PM

I am not a parent, but I may have a problem letting my daughter play basketball in a team environment.

I am also sure I would not be comfortable with my daughter joining the military-- both are environments where the ladies have to wear something that doesnt look specifically feminine.

I do not have a problem with feminine pants/jeans.
I do have a problem with ladies wearing unisex items like sports, some military and UPS uniforms (etc).

These uniforms ALWAYS look distinctly masculine-- we're just told to think it's not masculine when a lady is in it.

But I'm not a parent yet.

MissBrattified · #9 04-30-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not a parent, but I may have a problem letting my daughter play basketball in a team environment.

Do you object to the uniform? Or the team environment?

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I am also sure I would not be comfortable with my daughter joining the military-- both are environments where the ladies have to wear something that doesn't look specifically feminine.

I do not have a problem with feminine pants/jeans.
I do have a problem with ladies wearing unisex items like sports, some military and UPS uniforms (etc).

These uniforms ALWAYS look distinctly masculine-- we're just told to think it's not masculine when a lady is in it.

I'm not sure I agree with you. You're basically saying there aren't any gender neutral items of clothing.

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But I'm not a parent yet.

As a mother, I've determined that it is important for both my son and my daughters to be active and healthy. I'm unwilling to deny them those opportunities because of baggy uniforms. LOL!!!! Women don't always have to be in frills and lace in order to be girly. There is a time to be sweaty, ultra-casual, etc. In fact, this past weekend, my oldest daughter had a friend over, and they were playing in the mud! Their Daddy was unhappy with the large mud puddle created in the front yard, but he didn't say a word about them being covered head to toe in brown muck.

A couple of years ago, I went "muddin'" with a friend of mine while in Indiana...we rode a 4-wheeler around her uncle's farm, through a creek, and were also covered in mud from head to toe by the end of the day. (No exaggeration there) We also flipped the 4-wheeler....

As a kid, my Dad took me fishing, taught me to bait my own hook, clean a fish, skin a catfish, and make "stink bait." We went swimming in dirty swimming holes, and I thrashed through the woods several summers, playing cowboys and Indians with my nephews and nieces.

In spite of it all, I grew up to be a woman who embraces femininity, and a new pair of heels can make me very happy indeed.

But I don't mind getting my hands dirty when I'm planting flowers, and it doesn't bother me to pick up earth worms or frogs.

Femininity is important--I agree. But not to the extent that girls aren't allowed to be VERY active, to get dirty, or to just plain have fun.

Ultra-frilly or dressy, traditionally feminine clothing does not really allow for most athletic activities--at least, not modestly.

Jermyn Davidson · #10 04-30-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Do you object to the uniform? Or the team environment?

The uniform.

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm not sure I agree with you. You're basically saying there aren't any gender neutral items of clothing.

Good point. However, I can't think of any "gender neutral" clothing that does not have an overwhelming sense of masculinity.

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

As a mother, I've determined that it is important for both my son and my daughters to be active and healthy. I'm unwilling to deny them those opportunities because of baggy uniforms. LOL!!!! Women don't always have to be in frills and lace in order to be girly. There is a time to be sweaty, ultra-casual, etc. In fact, this past weekend, my oldest daughter had a friend over, and they were playing in the mud! Their Daddy was unhappy with the large mud puddle created in the front yard, but he didn't say a word about them being covered head to toe in brown muck.

A couple of years ago, I went "muddin'" with a friend of mine while in Indiana...we rode a 4-wheeler around her uncle's farm, through a creek, and were also covered in mud from head to toe by the end of the day. (No exaggeration there) We also flipped the 4-wheeler....

As a kid, my Dad took me fishing, taught me to bait my own hook, clean a fish, skin a catfish, and make "stink bait." We went swimming in dirty swimming holes, and I thrashed through the woods several summers, playing cowboys and Indians with my nephews and nieces.

In spite of it all, I grew up to be a woman who embraces femininity, and a new pair of heels can make me very happy indeed.

But I don't mind getting my hands dirty when I'm planting flowers, and it doesn't bother me to pick up earth worms or frogs.

Femininity is important--I agree. But not to the extent that girls aren't allowed to be VERY active, to get dirty, or to just plain have fun.

Ultra-frilly or dressy, traditionally feminine clothing does not really allow for most athletic activities--at least, not modestly.

If I were to error, I would error on the side of femininty for my daughters and masculinity for my sons.

My daughters can go "muddin" in a pair of pink Chic or Jordache jeans.

I pause at the idea of my daughters of wearing overwhelmingly masculine looking gym shorts or anything else that appears more masculine than not.